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02-07-2006 21:27
Rate How this story makes you feel on a scale of 1-10 please Comments encouraged  From: Drudge Report KING FUNERAL TURNS POLITICAL: BUSH BASHED BY FORMER PRESIDENT, REVEREND Tue Feb 07 2006 15:49:48 ET Today's memorial service for civil rights activist Coretta Scott King -- billed as a "celebration" of her life -- turned suddenly political as one former president took a swipe at the current president, who was also lashed by an outspoken black pastor! The outspoken Rev. Joseph Lowery, co-founder of Southern Christian Leadership Conference, ripped into President Bush during his short speech, ostensibly about the wife of Martin Luther King Jr. "She extended Martin's message against poverty, racism and war. She deplored the terror inflicted by our smart bombs on missions way afar. We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there," Lowery said. The mostly black crowd applauded, then rose to its feet and cheered in a two-minute-long standing ovation. A closed-circuit television in the mega-church outside Atlanta showed the president smiling uncomfortably.  "But Coretta knew, and we know," Lowery continued, "That there are weapons of misdirection right down here," he said, nodding his head toward the row of presidents past and present. "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor!" The crowd again cheered wildly. Former President Jimmy Carter later swung at Bush as well, not once but twice. As he talked about the Kings, he said: "It was difficult for them then personally with the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps." The crowd cheered as Bush, under fire for a secret wiretapping program he ordered after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, again smiled weakly. Later, Carter said Hurricane Katrina showed that all are not yet equal in America. "This commerative cermony this morning, this afternoon, is not only to acknowledge the great contributions of Coretta and Martin, but to remind us that the struggle for equal rights is not over. We only have to recall the color of the faces of those in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi," Carter said, the rest of his sentence drowned out by loud applause. "Those who were most devastated by [Hurricane] Katrina know that there are not yet equal opportunities for all Americans. It is our responsibility to continue their crusade."
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Champie Jack
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02-07-2006 22:11
but, this poll goes to 11.
You shouldn't have shown me this.
edit: you get brownie points for naming my reference
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02-07-2006 23:02
From: Champie Jack but, this poll goes to 11.
You shouldn't have shown me this.
edit: you get brownie points for naming my reference check my signature, same movie =)
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02-07-2006 23:20
ah, excellent work Mulch! I hadn't noticed your sig before
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02-08-2006 17:45
to those of you who were talking crap about Carter here the other day, you should have heard the hatchet job talk radio did on him based on the King funeral I think the King family would have been proud they were activists after all, and Bush got an earful and had to squirm through it
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Sally Rosebud
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02-08-2006 22:33
Yes, but don't you think the service should have been about Mrs. King and not about the president? Pretty disrespectful imo. Though he did look pretty uncomfortable around all those African American people... and that just makes me giggle
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02-08-2006 22:42
From: Sally Rosebud Yes, but don't you think the service should have been about Mrs. King and not about the president? Pretty disrespectful imo. I agree, it should have been about her and not a political statement. |
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02-08-2006 22:46
From: Edav Roark I agree, it should have been about her and not a political statement. do you really think she would have prefered the focus to be on herself... or continuing the legacy of confronting dangerous issues and evil head on?
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Edav Roark
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02-08-2006 22:52
A funeral should be a celebration of her life not a chance to attack someone, even if its someone they or she didn't like.
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02-09-2006 01:43
I kind of had the impression Mrs. King's entire life was about civil rights and politics... It seems somewhat disengenuous to try to hold her funeral without mentioning what she was all about. Pretty much everyone there agreed too (excepting a couple people I guess). I doubt the applause was some kind of "I'm applauding but this is really inappropriate" applause kind of thing.
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02-09-2006 02:04
I saw the event...was actually quite close to it. Jimmy Carter feels empowered b/c he is from Georgia. As years have gone by, he has taken swipes at just about everyone in state and even out. His legacy is one that could be looked at with a 'judge not lest ye be judged' vantage point, but considering his age and the fact that he was a one term President who is less popular in the state of Georgia than the more outspoken Zell Miller and the current POTUS - G.W.B., I like many Georgians and Americans take Jimmy with a grain of salt. For the most part, the ceremony and the one that took place at the state capitol days before, have been treated with respect and non-partisan attacks. And that IS how it should be...Jimmy can go read playboy magazine when he gets the national media reaction and tell his wife about 'the lust in his heart' (a comment he once made about infidelity). And so, "the seasons turn, turn, turn..."  Fyi...I'd take the comments of the ex-President from Plains, GA with a grain of Billy Beer not salt if possible (a beer his brother Billy made while Jimmy was President), but they no longer sell that brew. I guess that was another Carter creation that has over time gone stale.  - Calix |
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02-09-2006 06:34
Just goes to prove that Liberals are more interested in attacking the President than celebrating the life of an amazing woman.  If anyone on the Republican side had done something like this at Reagan's funeral the libs and the media would have jumped all over them. |
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02-09-2006 06:52
From: Bill Diamond Just goes to prove that Liberals are more interested in attacking the President than celebrating the life of an amazing woman. If anyone on the Republican side had done something like this at Reagan's funeral the libs and the media would have jumped all over them. Are you kidding?? The week long Reagasm of the republican party was one long campaign commercial for Dubya. Considering what Coretta Scott King's life stood for --i thought the funeral was incredibly appropriate for celebrating her life. Shame on Bush for politicizing the event by calling Coretta Scott King's positions on everything from Katrina to the Iraq War to Wire-tapping merely political in nature and not her life's passions. Everything she stood for was in direct defiance of George Bush's ilk and I'm quite sure she was smiling from heaven that the boy-King had to sit there and take his medicine. |
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02-09-2006 07:25
Reagan's dead... how do they know?
Seriously, I know I was out of the country for a while, but is the Teflon Pres dead?
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02-09-2006 09:24
From: Kendra Bancroft Considering what Coretta Scott King's life stood for --i thought the funeral was incredibly appropriate for celebrating her life.
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Everything she stood for was in direct defiance of George Bush's ilk and I'm quite sure she was smiling from heaven that the boy-King had to sit there and take his medicine. From: Siro Mfume I kind of had the impression Mrs. King's entire life was about civil rights and politics... It seems somewhat disengenuous to try to hold her funeral without mentioning what she was all about. Pretty much everyone there agreed too (excepting a couple people I guess). I doubt the applause was some kind of "I'm applauding but this is really inappropriate" applause kind of thing. Agreed 100% From: Bill Diamond Just goes to prove that Liberals are more interested in attacking the President than celebrating the life of an amazing woman. actually, they were carrying on the King legacy of activisim. I guess you never realized what the whole civil rights thing was about (or think black/white is the only facet of the discussion). It is not over Bush put the game into overtime. MLK Jrs civil rights were violated by illegal wire taps. at least 5,000 US citizens a year are now in that club as well. It was a very appropriate way to honor a family whose lives were lived for equality and fairness something that makes Bush squirm From: GWB You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas.(Governing Magazine 7/9  "I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked. -- CNN.com, December 18, 2000 "A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it, " [Bush] said. -- Business Week, July 30, 2001 "
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02-09-2006 09:37
From: Calix Metropolitan I saw the event...was actually quite close to it. Jimmy Carter feels empowered b/c he is from Georgia. As years have gone by, he has taken swipes at just about everyone in state and even out. His legacy is one that could be looked at with a 'judge not lest ye be judged' vantage point, but considering his age and the fact that he was a one term President who is less popular in the state of Georgia than the more outspoken Zell Miller and the current POTUS - G.W.B., I like many Georgians and Americans take Jimmy with a grain of salt. For the most part, the ceremony and the one that took place at the state capitol days before, have been treated with respect and non-partisan attacks. And that IS how it should be...Jimmy can go read playboy magazine when he gets the national media reaction and tell his wife about 'the lust in his heart' (a comment he once made about infidelity). And so, "the seasons turn, turn, turn..." Fyi...I'd take the comments of the ex-President from Plains, GA with a grain of Billy Beer not salt if possible (a beer his brother Billy made while Jimmy was President), but they no longer sell that brew. I guess that was another Carter creation that has over time gone stale. - Calix I think it is amusing that the best shot you can take on Carter is Billy Beer (his brothers creation). Trust me, Georgia is almost as easy a target as Florida. When you all quit huffing your moonshine and get out of the dark ages, maybe your states opinion will matter otherwise, the rest of the civilised country will continue to laugh at your backwards hillbilly culture, avoid your humid cesspool of a state, and continue to evolve. I think ya'll been swallowing your snuff juice if you ask me and yeah, the "lust" thing is actually in the bible. So shame on him for being a man who follows his convictions and moral compass Like todays presidents Culture of Life. the major difference of course, is GWB says one thing and does another
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02-09-2006 09:39
From: Surreal Farber Reagan's dead... how do they know?
Seriously, I know I was out of the country for a while, but is the Teflon Pres dead? In 1981 John Hinckley, Jr. shot Ronald Reagan. He was rushed to George Washington Hospital where he died. He was then replaced by an animatronic puppet.
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02-09-2006 10:16
my two cents.
screw this 'dead people are sacred' stuff. LIVE people are sacred not dead ones.
Dead people may leave a legacy, if that legacy is one of promoting peace then it is VERY appropriate to use the event of their death to further their cause, especially when so many people are dying and suffering and any attempt to try and prevent this is a good thing. In my opinion this honors the memory of someone associated with peace.
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02-09-2006 10:28
From: Daz Honey my two cents.
screw this 'dead people are sacred' stuff. LIVE people are sacred not dead ones.
Dead people may leave a legacy, if that legacy is one of promoting peace then it is VERY appropriate to use the event of their death to further their cause, especially when so many people are dying and suffering and any attempt to try and prevent this is a good thing. In my opinion this honors the memory of someone associated with peace. Very well said.
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02-09-2006 11:55
From: Sally Rosebud Yes, but don't you think the service should have been about Mrs. King and not about the president? Pretty disrespectful imo. Though he did look pretty uncomfortable around all those African American people... and that just makes me giggle And it was about Mrs. King. She constantly objected to Boy George Bushes flawed policies and dictatorship. So it is very fitting that Boy George Bush was made to sit there and listen as spokesperson after spokesperson denounced Boy George Bush's Dictatorship and flawed policies. |
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02-09-2006 12:09
From: Magnum Serpentine And it was about Mrs. King. She constantly objected to Boy George Bushes flawed policies and dictatorship. So it is very fitting that Boy George Bush was made to sit there and listen as spokesperson after spokesperson denounced Boy George Bush's Dictatorship and flawed policies. Magnum "Fair and Balanced" Serpentine, ladies and gentlemen! If you missed it, he'll be here all week! Try the veal, and remember to tip your waitress!
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02-09-2006 12:41
From: Surreal Farber Reagan's dead... how do they know?
Seriously, I know I was out of the country for a while, but is the Teflon Pres dead? Yes. LINK -Ghoti
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02-09-2006 12:52
Hmmm...When I think of Mrs. King or her husband, I think more of equality for all and living in peace and harmony with the people around you and all over the world. I certainly do not want to think of the current pres, since imo he is for none of that. Her services should reflect what she has accomplished in her life, not who she disliked. I'm sorry, I still believe it was in poor taste. You can make all the arguments you'd like to support your opinions, but this is mine, and it's not likely to change unless Mrs. King's ghost comes to me and tells me she approved.
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02-09-2006 13:05
From: Sally Rosebud Hmmm...When I think of Mrs. King or her husband, I think more of equality for all and living in peace and harmony with the people around you and all over the world. I certainly do not want to think of the current pres, since imo he is for none of that. Her services should reflect what she has accomplished in her life, not who she disliked. I'm sorry, I still believe it was in poor taste. You can make all the arguments you'd like to support your opinions, but this is mine, and it's not likely to change unless Mrs. King's ghost comes to me and tells me she approved. Read the words of Dr. King. September 18, 1963. Birmingham, Ala. This afternoon we gather in the quiet of this sanctuary to pay our last tribute of respect to these beautiful children of God. They entered the stage of history just a few years ago, and in the brief years that they were privileged to act on this mortal stage, they played their parts exceedingly well. Now the curtain falls; they move through the exit; the drama of their earthly life comes to a close. They are now committed back to that eternity from which they came. These children—unoffending, innocent, and beautiful—were the victims of one of the most vicious and tragic crimes ever perpetrated against humanity. Yet they died nobly. They are the martyred heroines of a holy crusade for freedom and human dignity. And so this afternoon in a real sense they have something to say to each of us in their death. They have something to say to every minister of the gospel who has remained silent behind the safe security of stained-glass windows. They have something to say to every politician (Yeah) who has fed his constituents with the stale bread of hatred and the spoiled meat of racism. They have something to say to a federal government that has compromised with the undemocratic practices of southern Dixiecrats (Yeah) and the blatant hypocrisy of right-wing northern Republicans. (Speak) They have something to say to every Negro (Yeah) who has passively accepted the evil system of segregation and who has stood on the sidelines in a mighty struggle for justice. They say to each of us, black and white alike, that we must substitute courage for caution. (Mmm) They say to us that we must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced the murderers. Their death says to us that we must work passionately and unrelentingly for the realization of the American dream. ~snip~ And so I stand here to say this afternoon to all assembled here that in spite of the darkness of this hour, (Well) we must not despair. (Well) We must not become bitter, (Yeah. That’s right) nor must we harbor the desire to retaliate with violence. (Mmm) No, we must not lose faith in our white brothers. (Yeah) Somehow we must believe that the most misguided among them can learn to respect the dignity and the worth of all human personality. this last part is so true for our Country today read more here http://www.mlkonline.net / |
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02-09-2006 13:15
I was just talking a few days ago about the way people who were true radicals get turned into harmless purveyors of truisms in the popular imagination once their message has been established. I mean, MLK himself... the man was considered a dangerous threat to the state at the time, a Communist, a traitor, a rabble-rouser, harassed by the FBI, assassinated because of his views, and all this only a few decades ago. He was challenging the fabric of society. He wasn't just some guy who said some nice stuff about how we should all live together in peace and everyone went "yeah, you know, he's right".
I think the one that annoyed me most recently was Rosa Parks being turned from a dedicated political activist and human rights campaigner to some woman who just didn't want to stand up on the bus.
You'd wonder, from the reinvention that goes on, why anyone ever had to fight at all.
The idea that Bush can turn up at the funeral of somebody who opposed him utterly and shouldn't get a massive rocket for it is daft.
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