How Big is 87 Billion?

Not as big as 272 billion. Thank you Republican voters.

~Ulrika~

And a lot more than $1.7 Billion.

That was fun.

Bigger than a breadbox?

A skyscraper made entirely of money!

2 billion is also more than customers than McDonalds has served worldwide.

10 billion is more than there are individual people on the planet.

87 billion light years = 8.23065971 × 10^26 meters

America is very stupid for using its power and money to try to fix the diseased middle east. Shame!

How dare America do such a thing when it doesn't have a Democrat President?! Shame!

yes, if only they would have listened to the people who insisted that we shouldn't become policemen to the world.
For exampe, the Cato Institue :

or the Republican Policy Comittiee

As far as I can tell, it makes no difference which party is in charge
Read the statemetn above changing:
Clinton-> Bush
Kosovo->Iraq




I say its a shame regardless of which party is in power.

Why do you feel like the opinions of those people are more important than the many people that insist that we must become the policemen of the world? Oh, because you agree with the people that say that we shouldn't. Maybe if those people win an election, they can make decisions. Until then, our elected leaders make the decisions.

It's a shame that there are so many selfish people that would rather not help any of the people in the world that are suffering. That's sad.

I wanted to point to two groups who were not Democrats:
The Cato institute is a Libertarian organization.
The Republican Party was the one who called most adamantly for war in Iraq; an apparent flip-flop from their previous position.



I completely agree. We should be helping people, not starting wars.

Yea, things changed a bit in the world on 9/11. The left doesn't seem to want to accept that fact, though.

Wars are usually the only way to remove a dictator from power. Sanctions weren't working, mostly because corrupt countries like France and Germany were helping Saddam make tremendous amounts of money that should have been going to the Iraqis. There was no chance that the Iraqis themselves would be able to overthrow Saddam and his sons any time soon, so the adults of the world helped them out. Now we're helping them rebuild their country after years of abuse by Saddam. They appreciate our help very much. They are our friends now, and our friendship will get stronger over the years.

Hopefully they will always remember the people like you who thought they didn't deserve to be freed from a brutal dictator.

This is a great point. Thanks for digging up those quotes.

~Ulrika~

so... before 9/11 they were jerks and after they were reborn again into sweetness and light.


The reasons you give above are certainly noble goals, but arguments along this line have been routinely rejected before 9/11. Many other countries have brutal dictators, which ones should we invade next? Why not free all countries where there is suffereing? Conditions for the population of North Korea are far worse than they were in Iraq under Saddam, why didn't we do something there first? Is war the most effecitve way to relieve suffering in the world?


I never said that. No one deserves to live under a brutal dictator. Who shall we help next?

Who were jerks before 9/11?

Who rejected these arguments before 9/11? Do you really not remember how things were in the US before 9/11. Most people believed that we were basically untouchable. When we discovered that we were quiet touchable, we decided to start dealing with the people who want to hurt us. Does that not seem reasonable to you?

Again, there were many many reasons that we invaded Iraq. Not just to free people from a brutal dictator. Not just because of the WMDs. Another reason was to try to help the entire middle east change and catch up with the rest of the world. Khadaffi gave up his chemical and nuclear weapons programs because of the Iraq invasion. He finally recognized that the US was serious about what it says. Syria left Lebanon partially as a result of our invading Iraq, which weakened them to the point where Lebanon could push them out, with France and the US's help. Invading North Korea isn't very feasable, they have thousands of pieces of artillery within range of Seoul. They also most likely already have nuclear weapons. There are a lot of other reasons we don't invade North Korea, too.

The thing you should try to understand is the concept of "lots of reasons". You seem to only be able to consider one reason at time, which is causing confusion. When you put all of the reasons together, it makes quite a lot more sense.

Of course there were. Bush changed them everytime they were refuted. Liars do that.

So speaks the Queen of cognitive dissonance

Haha, yea, people that don't read very much truthful information usually think this. I guess it's easier to just assume that the person you hate is lying than to actually go look up information. Here's a PDF listing the very many reasons for the invasion:

http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf

Be sure to dismiss it for some silly reason, so you don't have to adjust your incorrect beliefs. The most important thing in the world is to continue believing the things you've always believed, no matter how obvious it is that they're incorrect.

Anyone can have a reason.

It takes an intelligent leader to have a plan.

Note: Flightsuits and banners do not count as a plan.

There's no plan! The US invaded a country and had no plan at all for what they were going to do. Seriously, just because the government didn't tell us every single part of the plan, it means that they had no plan at all. That is a logical thing to think, because the US is known for not planning things.

Read more truthful news please.

Well, when you run a project that goes way longer than what you expected and cost a lot more money than what you expected, I would say your plan was flawed.

However, I suppose there could be a top secret plan to drag out a war for an extended period of time costing many American lives and dollars. I suppose there could be a top secret plan to provide less bady armor than would be needed.

Now that I think about it again, this is a great plan. A great secret plan that is.

Way longer? What are you talking about? Before the war, I remember US leaders talking about "at least 5 years, probably 10". What did you hear them say, "We will invade a country that has been living under a brutal dictatorship for 30 years, then we figure we'll have them all set with democracy and such in 2 years exactly."? They never said anything like that.

The plan is very good. Iraq had 3 very big elections in 2005. That's not enough for you, though, because you need to hate Republicans and George Bush and anything they do. Sad.

Yay! Someone else can bang the drum today.

Hey, while we're all glowing with pride and ready to help out, can someone give the shoeless guy a buck for a cheeseburger? He's sitting in the rain in the alley behind my office. After pledging $1 million to help rebuild a church, the Illinois state government has no more money to help him.

Oh I see where you misunderstand. I don't need to hate. I just really enjoy it.

It's not like heroin.

Oh, but it is.

Anyways ...

What I thought was significant about the first post's link is that it was originally created to show how big the US$87,000,000,000 debt was. Since then they've had to redo the graphic several times as the federal debt is almost three times the size in the plus $250,000,000,000 range.

This administration has created more debt than all other administrations before it combined. Who's gonna pay this back? You are! That's right, even the knee-jerk right-wing pundits. We'll all be forking over an average US$3k apiece (not counting interest). Whee!

~Ulrika~