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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-01-2006 06:13
From: Cottonteil Muromachi
Wait till you end up in a nuclear holocaust. Try looking for food, water or gas. Theres no power or SL either. I'd be bored to death before I die from hunger.


By "modern" I mean 1990+. I wanna go back to the 50s. Or so.

By "world" I mean society.
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Rose Karuna
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02-01-2006 07:05
From: Reitsuki Kojima
I remember days when people in buisnesses tried to help you.

I remember a time when if I dropped off a roll of film to get it developed, they did all the work... No, now I have to address the envelope, I have to look up their packages and select the one I want, I have to ensure I've placed all the forms and canisters and envelopes where they go... then I have to look through the bin to find my damn pictures. I remember when I would give them film, they would ask me a few questions, then I would return in a few hours and they would go get my pictures for me. I don't want to be told "Please fill out these forms, sir."!

I had to take a joystick back a few weeks ago. I had to do everything. I had to fill out all the forms, I had to go get a replacement off the shelf. I had to fill out the *new* product warrenty forms. Then I had to take it up to the cashier to get the stupid security whatzist disabled.

When I do a custom order at a bookstore anymore, I'm the one who has to fill out the damned custom order card - And oh lord forbid I don't know the damned ISBN number, exact spelling of the first and last name of the author, title, and publishing company... They can't find ANYTHING on their computers. I once faught with one of the mindless drones for five-ten minutes, ending with the "Sorry, we have no record of this book, we can't order it"... I turned around, drug him by his bloody nose piercing over to the damned "You Search!" terminal, and showed him in 10 bloody seconds that they not only could order the book, but that they usually STOCKED the book and it was simply sold out.

Damnit, nobody will even pump the bloody petroleum distillate into my automobile and squeegee the windows these days!

I 'effing HATE the modern world. What the hell am I paying these people for? That's why they are going out of buisness... people have realized that stores provide no value-added to a product these days - that is, no service - and the same product can be obtained online for less work AND less money.

So, needless to say, I hate the damn self-checkouts, though I admit they are occasionaly handy when you have a jug of milk and would otherwise have to wait behind Momma and Brats buying a months worth of junkfood and poison.


I agree - for some time now, decades, industry has been getting rid of service personnel and has been pushing the responsibility of service back onto the consumer. It's been like slowly boiling a frog - we didn't really notice until it got painful.

You find it yourself, pay for it yourself, put it together yourself and install it yourself.

If you can't find what you need or it's missing the UPC code so you can't pay for it or the instructions aren't clear or a part is missing when you go to install it - well, that's just too damn bad.

Nobody cares.

What are you paying for? Most of the dollars that were spent in service before are now re-directed into marketing and advertising. So instead of helping you get what you need the way that you want it - they spam you with tons of snail mail. :rolleyes:

What dollars are not spent spamming, tracking and telemarketing you are spent keeping CEO's like Kenneth Lay in the style to which they are accustomed.

The real clincher is - your not paying that much LESS for it than you were when there was actually such a thing as "service".

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Zuzu Fassbinder
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02-01-2006 07:27
From: Reitsuki Kojima

I remember a time when if I dropped off a roll of film to get it developed, they did all the work... No, now I have to address the envelope, I have to look up their packages and select the one I want, I have to ensure I've placed all the forms and canisters and envelopes where they go... then I have to look through the bin to find my damn pictures. I remember when I would give them film, they would ask me a few questions, then I would return in a few hours and they would go get my pictures for me. I don't want to be told "Please fill out these forms, sir."!

This "film" thing you speak of, it is something used to make hard-copies of pictures?
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-01-2006 07:34
From: Zuzu Fassbinder
This "film" thing you speak of, it is something used to make hard-copies of pictures?


Some of us have a very expensive camera and don't see a particular reason to throw it in the trash simply because of some newfangled device.

Besides, I still think traditional film produces a nicer picture than digital.

//Luddite? Maybe.

//You kids and your toys. When the Grid comes down in '11, me and my darkroom will continue to take pictures while you stare at a microwave in quiet desperation, before resorting to eating parts of the outer casing
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Ben Bacon
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02-01-2006 07:50
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Some of us have a very expensive camera and don't see a particular reason to throw it in the trash simply because of some newfangled device.
newfangled? what are you talking about? the tilde key has been around for ages and is, IMHO, the onlyway to take pictures :D
Cottonteil Muromachi
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02-01-2006 07:57
From: Reitsuki Kojima
You kids and your toys. When the Grid comes down in '11, me and my darkroom will continue to take pictures while you stare at a microwave in quiet desperation, before resorting to eating parts of the outer casing


Doesn't the enlarger need to be plugged into a power supply?
Reitsuki Kojima
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02-01-2006 08:04
From: Cottonteil Muromachi
Doesn't the enlarger need to be plugged into a power supply?


In a modern darkroom.

It's possible to develop film in a very primative environment, actually, if you can find a supply of the right chemicals.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Zuzu Fassbinder
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02-01-2006 08:04
From: Reitsuki Kojima

//You kids and your toys.

hehehe, I was only teasing. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go wind my clocks before they run down.
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Phoenix Psaltery
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02-01-2006 08:11
From: Cid Jacobs
You probably got a little extra spit on your pizza :)


Nah, you weren't working that night.

:rolleyes:

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02-01-2006 08:14
From: Paolo Portocarrero
We even had to count change back from the purchase price back to the amount tendered (e.g., Total is $4.56. Customer gives you a $20. You assemble the change, and count back, "44 cents makes five, five makes ten and ten makes 20";).

I dunno. It all went south when they started posting product pictures on the register.



Where I am working right now, the owner's 47 year old sister has been royally screwing up the register EVERYNIGHT and I am getting blamed. HELLO! I only 4 damn days a week and it's still short 100.00+ the 3 that I am not there. Also, my co-worker gets blamed too. Apparentally this 47 year old woman cannot count back change to save her life. She is flat out stupid and blames everyone else.

I am so sick of it that I am ready to call the owner and ask her if she is implying that I am stealing or incompetent at my job since she told my co-worker to tell me that the drawer is always short.

Oh, WHY DO PEOPLE ORDER JUNIOR BACON CHEESEBURGERS when you are 1)NOT at Wendy's and 2) you are not in an actual fast food place? This guy comes in and says "I want a junior bacon cheeseburger combo." I flat out told him the other day, "I am sorry, you aren't at Wendy's so that isn't an option here." He stared at me with this blank, stupid look on his face, like he couldn't figure out the menu enough to know what was on it. I suppose if we added pictures to the menu it might help with his confusion.
Cottonteil Muromachi
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02-01-2006 08:19
From: Reitsuki Kojima
In a modern darkroom.

It's possible to develop film in a very primative environment, actually, if you can find a supply of the right chemicals.


After you develop the film, you end up with a bunch of developed film with no photos?
Patrick Playfair
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02-01-2006 08:28
From: Paolo Portocarrero
I'm dating myself, but I worked at Mickie D's during my sophomore year of high school. Back then, we had to write each order on an order slip, and then ring up each item (using an old fashioned register). We were required to memorize the prices of every item, and we got a "demerit" if we looked back at the menu to get a price. We even had to count change back from the purchase price back to the amount tendered (e.g., Total is $4.56. Customer gives you a $20. You assemble the change, and count back, "44 cents makes five, five makes ten and ten makes 20";).

I dunno. It all went south when they started posting product pictures on the register.


I was JUST going to post about the lost art of counting change :) I don't think 1/2 of our high school graduates even know HOW to count change.

The oethr thing that bothers me is when you pull up to the window, and you hear "Would you like to try our Breakfast Burrito"? I know what I want before I ever pull up there. "Would you like fries with that?" If I wanted fries, I would have ORDERED fries.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-01-2006 08:30
From: Cottonteil Muromachi
After you develop the film, you end up with a bunch of developed film with no photos?


I can always scrounge up an old generator to run the enlarger :D

Though, actually, if you were willing to put a lot of thought into it, I think an enlarger could be made to function without electricity.
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Cottonteil Muromachi
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02-01-2006 08:47
From: Reitsuki Kojima
I can always scrounge up an old generator to run the enlarger :D

Though, actually, if you were willing to put a lot of thought into it, I think an enlarger could be made to function without electricity.


k k

I was considering the pros and cons of which type of camera to have when all hell breaks loose, and theres zero power supply for an indefinite amount of time.

I think I'll stick with some pencils and pieces of paper.
Reitsuki Kojima
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02-01-2006 08:48
From: Cottonteil Muromachi
k k

I was considering the pros and cons of which type of camera to have when all hell breaks loose, and theres zero power supply for an indefinite amount of time.

I think I'll stick with some pencils and pieces of paper.


Idealy, you would want an old plate camera, but good luck finding one.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Zuzu Fassbinder
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02-01-2006 08:57
From: Cottonteil Muromachi
k k

I was considering the pros and cons of which type of camera to have when all hell breaks loose, and theres zero power supply for an indefinite amount of time.

I think I'll stick with some pencils and pieces of paper.

ochre and cave walls
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Neehai Zapata
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02-01-2006 10:14
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Oh, WHY DO PEOPLE ORDER JUNIOR BACON CHEESEBURGERS when you are 1)NOT at Wendy's and 2) you are not in an actual fast food place? This guy comes in and says "I want a junior bacon cheeseburger combo." I flat out told him the other day, "I am sorry, you aren't at Wendy's so that isn't an option here." He stared at me with this blank, stupid look on his face, like he couldn't figure out the menu enough to know what was on it. I suppose if we added pictures to the menu it might help with his confusion.

No offense, but do you sell burgers with bacon and cheese on them? If so, figure it the fuck out.

Like I said, I don't need to work there, I just want to eat there. If someone comes in and orders a "junior bacon cheeseburger" and you sell a "regular burger with cheese and bacon" then you say "We have a regular burger with cheese and bacon, will that do sir?" and then you do your job.

Why the hell should I have to figure out your menu?

Call me difficult but I know what I want. Whenever I go to a restaurant I tell the waiter what I want to eat and ask what he has that meets those requirements. I do this because:

1) I know what I want to eat
2) It is his job

I don't need to know your job or the marketing campaign that names your products. You can call a steak a "Sizzling Broiler" or a "Beef Banquet" or whatever the hell else you want to call it. I want a rare steak for dinner. You tell me how that fits into your marketing campaign.
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Neehai Zapata
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02-01-2006 10:15
From: someone
In a modern darkroom.

It's possible to develop film in a very primative environment, actually, if you can find a supply of the right chemicals.

The only reason peope have darkrooms is to hide their crystal meth labs. Everyone knows that. :)
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02-01-2006 11:07
From: Neehai Zapata
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You get all types, assholes that can't bother to read the menu themselves, and assholes that can't take an order.
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02-01-2006 11:34
From: Phoenix Psaltery
Nah, you weren't working that night.

:rolleyes:

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I've never spit in anyone's food before.... I've come close though :p
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Cid Jacobs
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02-01-2006 11:34
From: Creami Cannoli
You get all types, assholes that can't bother to read the menu themselves, and assholes that can't take an order.

You are correct.
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Logan Bauer
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02-01-2006 12:16
From: Cid Jacobs
I've never spit in anyone's food before.... I've come close though :p


I've never spit in anyone's food, or done anything myself... But god, the things I've witnessed.. 10-second rule, anyone? :eek:
Chance Abattoir
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02-01-2006 13:22
From: Reitsuki Kojima
I remember days when people in buisnesses tried to help you.


If I do get service, and it is bad service, then I am pissed off. However, there are many times when I simply don't want service. There are many times when I'd rather just help myself because:
1.) It's faster.
2.) It cuts down on real human interaction.
3.) It cuts out the possibility of bad service.

For example, if I go into Whole Foods and see someone who I like to greet working at a register, I will wait in their line even if it takes a little longer. If I want to get the hell out of there because I have things to do, I'll use the self-checkout. They should do the same thing with fast food. One line for people who need to whi-- I mean, need to be treated like kings, and the other line for people who want to get the hell out of there (assuming that the machines work well, i.e. not like Home Depot's when theirs first came out). It only takes using the machine once to figure out how to expedite your next visit.
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Creami Cannoli
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02-01-2006 13:35
Ok, if you put self-service registers in at resturants there should be a HUGE BLINKING SIGN that says, "If YOU fuck it up when you order, don't come bitching to us!!"

Otherwise I am all for it.
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02-01-2006 13:37
From: Neehai Zapata
If someone comes in and orders a "junior bacon cheeseburger" and you sell a "regular burger with cheese and bacon" then you say "We have a regular burger with cheese and bacon, will that do sir?" and then you do your job.


You're right about this part, it's only good customer service to offer someone what you DO have rather than brush them off with a "we don't have that." Unfortunately, customer service is no longer taught.

Recently, I had a dispute with a major national company. I wanted to relocate my membership to a local branch; this cost money to do- I was choosing to give my business to them. They set it up wrong and caused me all sorts of problems. I met with the manager of the branch and she told me she would clear it up and, as a courtesy, I wouldn't have to pay anything. Wow, real customer service! v_v
A month goes by and I notice a discrepancy on my new membership. I call up the manager again and ask her what's up. She calls the corporate office and calls me back to tell me I'd have to pay to fix the new mistake. She had forgotten the details of how it originally got screwed up, in total by her employees, so I calmly explained the details so she would see how I was completely out of the loop on the mistake. She responded by telling me (A) Even though it is their fault for royally effing up, (B)I would have to pay to fix it and (C) it would be even more money than I'd tried to pay originally. !!! Worst. Service. Ever. I called corporate and they cleared it up. I still ended up paying 2/3 the original transfer fee (which was about half what the manager was telling me I would have to pay), but I'm still pretty bitter over all the trouble they caused. I would have gone with another service in an instant, but they're the only nationwide one I know of. :(
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