Why do Bush Supporters & Other conservatives have a Stronger Bias Towards Blacks?
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Eboni Khan
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02-01-2006 09:31
From: Kevn Klein I assume you mean the definition given by Eboni. My definition doesn't allow minorities the right to be racist without being considered racist. I get that definition from dictionary.com ...
rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm) n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. I got an "A" in African American studies in college, and that is not the complex definition we were taught.
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Kevn Klein
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02-01-2006 11:13
From: Eboni Khan I got an "A" in African American studies in college, and that is not the complex definition we were taught. If it doesn't appear in any dictionary it wouldn't be a valid definition. College professors aren't immune to bias. Your professor might have fallen victim to the notion only oppressors can be racist. I have heard of this in the past. It seems it is used to divide the races. Allowing minorities to hate and feel it's acceptable. My opinion is hating based on skin color, or assuming one race is superior is racism. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would have said let us judge one another by the content of character and nothing else, I'm sure.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-01-2006 11:41
From: Kevn Klein If it doesn't appear in any dictionary it wouldn't be a valid definition. College professors aren't immune to bias. Your professor might have fallen victim to the notion only oppressors can be racist. I have heard of this in the past. It seems it is used to divide the races. Allowing minorities to hate and feel it's acceptable.
My opinion is hating based on skin color, or assuming one race is superior is racism.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would have said let us judge one another by the content of character and nothing else, I'm sure. I think you're missing Eboni's subtle brand of acidic sarcasm.
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Garoad Kuroda
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02-03-2006 06:50
From: Reitsuki Kojima "Why would you trust that drunken bum on the street?" "Because he said (something I already wanted to believe is true)".
Not valid logic.
Jes' sayin'. Isn't that how it always works on the Intar-web?
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Introvert Petunia
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02-03-2006 07:02
From: someone rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm) n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. "People who substitute dictionary.com for thinking might have other nasty habits" -- me
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Introvert Petunia
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02-03-2006 07:05
From: someone I agree with most of your post, except one thing... You forgot to mention the fact most black slaves brought here were bought from other blacks. The whites did travel looking for slaves, but the black slaves were actually enslaved by their own people in most cases. That blatant falsehood would sound much more credible if accompanied by some basis in fact. Recruited? yes; enslaved? surely you jest.
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Nyx Divine
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02-03-2006 07:09
From: Introvert Petunia That blatant falsehood would sound much more credible if accompanied by some basis in fact. Recruited? yes; enslaved? surely you jest. No really it's true......most slaves were initially enslaved by their own people to be sold to traders w/ ships.
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Kevn Klein
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02-03-2006 08:38
From: Introvert Petunia "People who substitute dictionary.com for thinking might have other nasty habits" -- me Do thinking people use dictionaries to verify the meaning of words? Hmm, tough one... ummm, no, we argue about the meaning of words and insist we are THE authority. LOL! 
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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02-03-2006 08:44
From: Kevn Klein Do thinking people use dictionaries to verify the meaning of words? Hmm, tough one... ummm, no, we argue about the meaning of words and insist we are THE authority. LOL!  . From: Lewis Carroll "I don't know what you mean by 'glory'," Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't --- till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,'" Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean --- neither more nor less."
"The question is", said Alice, "whether you CAN make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master --- that's all."
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Kevn Klein
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02-03-2006 08:44
From: Introvert Petunia That blatant falsehood would sound much more credible if accompanied by some basis in fact. Recruited? yes; enslaved? surely you jest. Slaves were "recruited" by their own people to be slaves? This is really very interesting. Do you have any information that would back up this assertion?
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-03-2006 09:00
From: Introvert Petunia That blatant falsehood would sound much more credible if accompanied by some basis in fact. Recruited? yes; enslaved? surely you jest. From: About.com Between 1450 and the end of the nineteenth century, slaves were obtained from along the west coast of Africa with the full and active co-operation of African kings and merchants. (There were occasional military campaigns organised by Europeans to capture slaves, especially by the Portuguese in what is now Angola, but this accounts for only a small percentage of the total.) In return, the African kings and merchants received various trade goods including beads, cowrie shells (used as money), textiles, brandy, horses, and perhaps most importantly, guns. About.com From: PBS African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade. PBS From: Wikipedia Slaves taken from the West African regions known as the Slave Coast, Gold Coast, and Côte d'Ivoire were sold into slavery as a result of a defeat in warfare. Mighty kings in the Bight of Biafra near modern-day Senegal and Benin sold their captives to European slave traders for such things as metal cookware, rum, and livestock. Wikipedia Do you need more? This is really not a fact that is in dispute... by... well... anyone who has ever studied the subject in any fashion whatsoever.
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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02-03-2006 09:20
From: someone In return, the African kings and merchants received various trade goods including beads, cowrie shells (used as money), textiles, brandy, horses, and perhaps most importantly, guns. That's just the Finder's Fee. I'm sure the recuits were informed about the great benefits: the chance to travel, free exercise facilities, and job security.
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Introvert Petunia
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02-03-2006 09:25
"Sold by their own people" - by "own people" do you mean other Africans who were their "own people" only in the sense that they shared skin color? This would be akin to saying that the Chinese and the Japanese are "one people", both of whom historically take great exception to that statement.
If you wish for "sold by their own people" to mean "sold by their sworn enemies of countless generations" than I am in perfect agreement.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-03-2006 09:31
From: Introvert Petunia "Sold by their own people" - by "own people" do you mean other Africans who were their "own people" only in the sense that they shared skin color? This would be akin to saying that the Chinese and the Japanese are "one people", both of whom historically take great exception to that statement.
If you wish for "sold by their own people" to mean "sold by their sworn enemies of countless generations" than I am in perfect agreement. From what I understand, actually, 'target selection', shall we say, was pretty indescriminate... The difference between "Sworn enemy" and "village minding its own buisness that happened to be convieniently located" was not particularly strong in all cases, particularly later on.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Introvert Petunia
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02-03-2006 09:43
From: someone The difference between "Sworn enemy" and "village minding its own buisness that happened to be convieniently located" was not particularly strong in all cases. For almost all pre-industrial societies for which we have any observations, those two phrases are essentially synonymous.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-03-2006 09:48
From: Introvert Petunia For almost all pre-industrial societies for which we have any observations, those two phrases are essentially synonymous. That's sorta my point 
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Kevn Klein
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02-03-2006 12:03
From: Introvert Petunia For almost all pre-industrial societies for which we have any observations, those two phrases are essentially synonymous. The point being they were enslaved, not recruited, by fellow Africans.
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