Hitler was a Christian, just like the Pope was a Nazi, right?
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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07-13-2006 13:14
Hitler was a Christian, just like the Pope was a Nazi, right?
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07-13-2006 15:05
LOL back, none of the quotes you provided showed that he was an atheist at all. Which, you know, was one of your original and specious assertions that started this thread. I even added a link to a Nazi image that said something like "God is with us". We atheists don't tend to do that kinda thing. LOLOLOLTIMESINFINITY even if you were the meglomaniac genocidal oppurtunistic psychopath kind? you don't think you might tell a white few lies here and there about your athiesm to achieve more important things like conquering europe and eradicating ethnic minorities? My $1L offer for you to buy some facts still stands. if that's how much you paid for you facts, that explains a lot! ![]() actually i just did a google search ![]() _____________________
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07-13-2006 15:37
even if you were the meglomaniac genocidal oppurtunistic psychopath kind? you don't think you might tell a white few lies here and there about your athiesm to achieve more important things like conquering europe and eradicating ethnic minorities? In other words, this is what Jauani thinks, therefore it must be true. Facts are irrelevant. _____________________
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07-13-2006 15:47
In other words, this is what Jauani thinks, therefore it must be true. Facts are irrelevant. in other words, chip needs to learn how to read. ![]() once again: Hitler often adapted elements of Christian theology into his speeches. However he and other Nazi leaders rather subscribed either to a mixture of modern (pseudo-)scientific theories, as Hitler himself did, or to mysticism and occultism, which was especially strong in the SS. Central to both groupings was the belief in German racial superiority. it's not a smoking gun, but it's a way better than a belt buckle. _____________________
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07-13-2006 18:32
it's not a smoking gun, but it's a way better than a belt buckle. and it's also not atheism. ![]() _____________________
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07-13-2006 19:25
and it's also not atheism. ![]() if someone believes that the foundation of morality and the nature of the universe can be discovered through a mixture of modern scientific theories, i'm going to have to say athiest. granted hitler was an evil athiest, but athiest nonetheless. as a result, hitler was arguably the most influential atheist of the 20th century. _____________________
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07-13-2006 19:39
Except the whole mysticism thing rather points away from atheism; thinking you can base "morality" on "modern scientific theory" is not an inherent part of atheism, either.
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07-13-2006 19:40
You may want to do a bit more research...
In contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism, and even ridiculed such beliefs in private. Drawing on Higher Criticism and some branches of theologically liberal Protestantism, Hitler advocated what he termed Positive Christianity, purged of everything that he found objectionable. Hitler never directed his attacks on Jesus himself,[9] but viewed traditional Christianity as a corruption of the original ideas of Jesus,[10] whom Hitler regarded as an Aryan opponent of the Jews.[11] In Mein Kampf he wrote that Jesus "made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross." Hitler rejected the idea of Jesus' redemptive suffering, stating in 1927: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."[12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler/temp_religious_beliefs _____________________
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07-13-2006 20:01
You may want to do a bit more research... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler/temp_religious_beliefs yeah because hitler never lied about his beliefs or intentions. bad scholarship takes genocidal psycopaths and career liars words at face value. particularly in their propoganda manifesto. _____________________
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07-13-2006 20:08
yeah because hitler never lied about his beliefs or intentions. bad scholarship takes genocidal psycopaths and career liars words at face value. particularly in their propoganda manifesto. In other words, this is what Jauani thinks, therefore it must be true. Facts are irrelevant. _____________________
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07-13-2006 20:56
In other words, this is what Jauani thinks, therefore it must be true. Facts are irrelevant. why don't you go find me some facts first, rather than a belt buckle and some quotes from mein krapf. ![]() _____________________
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07-13-2006 20:59
why don't you go find me some facts first, rather than a belt buckle and some quotes from mein krapf. ![]() I'm not the one claiming that Hitler was an atheist. I have to ask why you assume that he was? Is it perhaps because you're a bigot and think only an atheist could be responsible for the holocaust? Go find your own facts and stop talking out of your ass. _____________________
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07-13-2006 21:16
I'm not the one claiming that Hitler was an atheist. I have to ask why you assume that he was? Is it perhaps because you're a bigot and think only an atheist could be responsible for the holocaust? Go find your own facts and stop talking out of your ass. did you come up with these conclusions because you are illiterate or because you are an imbecile? genocidal psycopaths come in all flavours. are you such a bigot that you think only religious people are capable of evil? ![]() i found plenty of links that describe hitlers only interest in religion was in exploiting it. i found a link on the wikipedia that states that hitler did not subscribe to christianity but to pseudo scientific theories (much like yourself). if you have a problem with that source, make sure to file a complaint to the wikipedia. until you can find me better evidence than a belt buckle or mein krapf, my evidence trumps yours. _____________________
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07-13-2006 21:27
did you come up with these conclusions because you are illiterate or because you are an imbecile? genocidal psycopaths come in all flavours. are you such a bigot that you think only religious people are capable of evil? ![]() i found plenty of links that describe hitlers only interest in religion was in exploiting it. i found a link on the wikipedia that states that hitler did not subscribe to christianity but to pseudo scientific theories (much like yourself). if you have a problem with that source, make sure to file a complaint to the wikipedia. until you can find me better evidence than a belt buckle or mein krapf, my evidence trumps yours. Nice cover story. You didn't even start googling any of it until you were called on it and you have yet to produce any convincing evidence. I call that talking out of your ass. It's also beside the point since your only intent in starting this tread was to troll. _____________________
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07-13-2006 21:46
None of the above. Lucifer's list was a great start to the truly influential atheists in history, though I don't think Einstein belongs on that list as he was more of a Deist. The two most famous atheists, of course, were Ayn Rand and Madeline Murray O'Hare. O'Hare, for all her self-importance and antagonistic attitude, broke the myth imposed upon this country in the '50s that we had to have God in our schools and in our government. And while I differ with parts of Rand's philosophy, she had it right when it came to personal accountability. Agreed! _____________________
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07-13-2006 21:48
There are no children (in theory) or animals playing Second Life. However, there *are* people from persecuted racial groups. In theory? LOL. Guess you haven't been following the sign up debacle and have been living under an SL rock to not see all the children infiltrating SL. Um... How do you know there are persecuted racial groups on SL? You don't... you assume. Is it not vulgar or obscene to simulate illegal acts? |
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07-13-2006 22:00
Nice cover story. You didn't even start googling any of it until you were called on it and you have yet to produce any convincing evidence. I call that talking out of your ass. It's also beside the point since your only intent in starting this tread was to troll. actually, that wikipedia entry was the first thing i googled to confirm my recollections on hitlers religion before posting my picks for the most influential athiests of the century. good thing you aren't a resmod. your mind reading scientific instrument needs recalibrating. you know why you make a better atheist than ulrika? ulrika is a critical thinker. _____________________
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07-13-2006 22:02
tell me about it! i'm currently serving a 7 day suspension because i hurt some misogynists feelings. ![]() I was wondering where you were. _____________________
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07-13-2006 22:14
actually, that wikipedia entry was the first thing i googled to confirm my recollections on hitlers religion before posting my picks for the most influential athiests of the century Right. That must be why you haven't posted anything that actually says Hitler was an atheist and ignored the plethora of sources that say otherwise. http://www.google.com/search?q=hitler%27s+religion Or, in lieu of actually learning something and accepting that you're wrong, just make more personal attacks. That's normally what you do. ![]() _____________________
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07-13-2006 22:19
Is it not vulgar or obscene to simulate illegal acts? Objectively, no. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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07-13-2006 22:30
Right. That must be why you haven't posted anything that actually says Hitler was an atheist and ignored the plethora of sources that say otherwise. http://www.google.com/search?q=hitler%27s+religion that's an awesome search. every single link on the first page references mein kampf. accepting hitler's rhetoric in mein kampf to be honest and truthful would be like accepting your word that you are not a bigot against theists. Or, in lieu of actually learning something and accepting that you're wrong, just make more personal attacks. That's normally what you do. ![]() i'm not personally attacking you. it's called constructive criticism. actually looking back at my posts, i couldn't find a single personal attack. maybe you're a little too sensitive, chip. _____________________
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07-13-2006 22:45
did you come up with these conclusions because you are illiterate or because you are an imbecile? Do you not think that's a personal attack because you are illiterate or because you are an imbecile? _____________________
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07-13-2006 23:00
Do you not think that's a personal attack because you are illiterate or because you are an imbecile? neither. you're too thin skinned to play on the internet. _____________________
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07-14-2006 02:01
Hello,I am chinese,I read many books about mao,so I think I know him a little.I respect mao very much,he is a great man like Lenin,Stalin,winston churchill,aFranklin Delano Roosevelt,and so on.I blieve mao is a atheist,because I think he always believe himself too.
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07-14-2006 07:48
neither. you're too thin skinned to play on the internet. Hardly. I just really dislike smarmy little trolls. _____________________
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