Asia Carrerra is very influential on my crotch!!
i'd like to know why she screams "oh god!" so much if she's an atheist.
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Presta Primbee
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07-12-2006 10:25
i'd like to know why she screams "oh god!" so much if she's an atheist. |
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Chip Midnight
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07-12-2006 10:31
For the record, Hitler was a Catholic... Stalin had a Catholic upbringing, though what effect that had on his adult life is debatable, it's of interest to note that he made moves to replace worship of a god with "worship" of the state, effectively making Communism into a God... I've no idea about Mao. He's not usually in these kind of "questions" so I've not researched him. Don't confuse Jauani with facts. He doesn't like that sort of thing. _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
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07-12-2006 10:31
Meh. The question was most influential. Ayn Rand is influential, but compared to killing millions of people, starting a world war, founding a communist country of two billion people...? Not even a blip on the radar. Let's differentiate between philosophical atheists and atheists-of-convenience. Stalin was definitely the latter - he saw religion as a tool with which to manipulate the masses (which is/was true). He banned the Church when he felt threatened by its power. But he didn't understand the first thing about atheism or the philosophy of non belief. Lumping him in with people like Bertrand Russell and Ayn Rand is not accurate. As for Hitler, he never was an atheist. That's just a strawman. _____________________
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07-12-2006 11:10
Your list mossed out more than a few notables. Marlon Brando Frank Lloyd Wright Stephen J Gould Ted Turner Bela Bartok Carl Sagan Gene Roddenbarry Francis Crick James Thurber Albert Einstein Linus Paulong Andrei Sakarov Walt Whitman Abraham Maslow Albert Ellis Erich Fromm Isaac Asimov Kurt Vonnegut Douglas Agams Woody Allen Ingmar Bergmann Richard Branson George Carlin John Carpenter Asia Carrerra Noam Chomsky Billy Connolly David Cronenberg Richard Dawkins Mickey Dolenz Harlan Ellison Brian Eno Richard Feynman Larry Flynt Jodie Foster Janeane Garofalo Bill Gates Bob Geldoff Ricky gervaise Seth Green robert Heinlein Katherine Hepburn Angelina Jolie Diane Keaton Neil Kinnock Bruce Lee HP Lovecraft John Malkovitch Todd McFarlane Ian McKellen Arthur Miller Frank Miller Marvin Minsky Desmond Moris Jack Nicholson Gary Numan Steven Soderbergh Terry Pratchett Keanu Reeves Henry Rollins Bruce Sterling Howard Stern Eddie Vedder Paul Verhoeven Gore Vidal Kurt Vonnegut Joss Whedon ETC ETC ETC And ME! Yay |
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Jauani Wu
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07-12-2006 12:12
Sheesh... Godwin'd in the poll. That must be a record. For the record, Hitler was a Catholic... Stalin had a Catholic upbringing, though what effect that had on his adult life is debatable, it's of interest to note that he made moves to replace worship of a god with "worship" of the state, effectively making Communism into a God... I've no idea about Mao. He's not usually in these kind of "questions" so I've not researched him. Oh, and this won't end well...  upbringing is irrelevant. they were all athiests. _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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07-12-2006 12:15
keanu reeves, asia carrera, and bruce lee? you have to be kidding!
albert einstein, perhaps. if bill gates becomes a most influential figure, it will likely be for the 21st century. remains to be seen. Your list mossed out more than a few notables. Marlon Brando Frank Lloyd Wright Stephen J Gould Ted Turner Bela Bartok Carl Sagan Gene Roddenbarry Francis Crick James Thurber Albert Einstein Linus Paulong Andrei Sakarov Walt Whitman Abraham Maslow Albert Ellis Erich Fromm Isaac Asimov Kurt Vonnegut Douglas Agams Woody Allen Ingmar Bergmann Richard Branson George Carlin John Carpenter Asia Carrerra Noam Chomsky Billy Connolly David Cronenberg Richard Dawkins Mickey Dolenz Harlan Ellison Brian Eno Richard Feynman Larry Flynt Jodie Foster Janeane Garofalo Bill Gates Bob Geldoff Ricky gervaise Seth Green robert Heinlein Katherine Hepburn Angelina Jolie Diane Keaton Neil Kinnock Bruce Lee HP Lovecraft John Malkovitch Todd McFarlane Ian McKellen Arthur Miller Frank Miller Marvin Minsky Desmond Moris Jack Nicholson Gary Numan Steven Soderbergh Terry Pratchett Keanu Reeves Henry Rollins Bruce Sterling Howard Stern Eddie Vedder Paul Verhoeven Gore Vidal Kurt Vonnegut Joss Whedon ETC ETC ETC _____________________
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Vares Solvang
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07-12-2006 12:15
Your list mossed out more than a few notables. Marlon Brando Frank Lloyd Wright Stephen J Gould Ted Turner Bela Bartok Carl Sagan Gene Roddenbarry Francis Crick James Thurber Albert Einstein Linus Paulong Andrei Sakarov Walt Whitman Abraham Maslow Albert Ellis Erich Fromm Isaac Asimov Kurt Vonnegut Douglas Agams Woody Allen Ingmar Bergmann Richard Branson George Carlin John Carpenter Asia Carrerra Noam Chomsky Billy Connolly David Cronenberg Richard Dawkins Mickey Dolenz Harlan Ellison Brian Eno Richard Feynman Larry Flynt Jodie Foster Janeane Garofalo Bill Gates Bob Geldoff Ricky gervaise Seth Green robert Heinlein Katherine Hepburn Angelina Jolie Diane Keaton Neil Kinnock Bruce Lee HP Lovecraft John Malkovitch Todd McFarlane Ian McKellen Arthur Miller Frank Miller Marvin Minsky Desmond Moris Jack Nicholson Gary Numan Steven Soderbergh Terry Pratchett Keanu Reeves Henry Rollins Bruce Sterling Howard Stern Eddie Vedder Paul Verhoeven Gore Vidal Kurt Vonnegut Joss Whedon ETC ETC ETC Carl Sagan wasn't an athiest. |
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07-12-2006 12:25
Carl Sagan wasn't an athiest. O rly? "The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by 'God' one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity." - Carl Sagan "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan "I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World "The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better, it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look Death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides." - Carl Sagan, Billions and Billions "God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?" "For most of human history we have searched for our place in the cosmos. Who are we? What are we? We find that we inhabit an insignificant planet of a hum-drum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxys than people. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions, and by the depth of our answers." - Carl Sagan [ http://www.silversix.nu/collectatheistquotes.htm _____________________
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07-12-2006 12:29
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07-12-2006 12:35
The two most famous atheists, of course, were Ayn Rand and Madeline Murray O'Hare. who???  _____________________
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07-12-2006 12:36
George Smith was an influential atheist, anyone heard of George Smith?
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07-12-2006 12:37
upbringing is irrelevant. they were all athiests. As has been pointed out before, Hitler was NOT an atheist (note the spelling of "atheist" From his own words in Mein Kampf: "In recent years things have gone so far that patriotic circles, in god-forsaken blindness of their religious strife, could not recognise the folly of their conduct even from the fact that atheist Marxist newspapers advocated the cause of one religious denomination or the other.." Hitler also outlawed freethinker and atheist groups in Germany in 1933. Here's $1L Jauani. Buy some facts. http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/buckle.jpg _____________________
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Rick Deckard
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07-12-2006 13:30
Philip Rosedale is an influential atheist
 Seriously though, anyone who muses excitedly about mind uploading is soooooo thumbing his nose at God. And there's also that noodly appendage on lindenlab.com's homepage. _____________________
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Veronica Quackenbush
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07-12-2006 14:10
Haven't seen James Watson mentioned yet.
"If we don't play God, who will?" Not entirely irrelevant to SL either if you think about it... As for influential, wars and all that are all very well, but in the long run I think the discovery of DNA will have more of an impact on humanity. So Watson gets my vote |
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07-12-2006 14:16
Haven't seen James Watson mentioned yet. "If we don't play God, who will?" Not entirely irrelevant to SL either if you think about it... As for influential, wars and all that are all very well, but in the long run I think the discovery of DNA will have more of an impact on humanity. So Watson gets my vote I got tired typing the list watson is somewhere in the first ETC _____________________
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Flavian Molinari
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07-12-2006 15:21
I'm not sure why anybody would think Hitler was an atheist, if anything he was a religious fanatic.
“Most influential” is kind of an ambiguous term. Politics, technology, economics all are intertwined. WW2 was by far the largest event of mankind in the 20th century. It was the dawn of new technologies including electronic computers and atomic weapons. Joseph Stalin did have a major influence on the war being that the Nazis may have not been defeated if it wasn't for Russian soldiers. Now saying that, Stalin didn't have much of a choice since Hitler invaded his country. Stalin was incredibly ruthless however and was able to stomp Hitler's armies with massive suicidal attacks from his own troops. I believe many leaders would not have resorted to the effective brutality of Stalin. Albert Einstein may have shortened the duration of WW2 with his encouragement to Roosevelt to build Atomic weapons. His theories (with many proven to be fact) have changed the world of physics and may lay the foundation of deep space travel for future generations. Larry Flint has had a huge impact on US first amendment rights that have made a profound influence on the multi billion dollar pornography industry. His Supreme Court case changed the entire (square and porn) entertainment industry shaping the internet as we know it. Including games like SL. Bill Gate should receive honorable mention however if it wasn't for Apple Computer constant fuck ups. Bill would just be a footnote in antique computer design. If the founders of Apple are atheist I would put them ahead of Bill on this list. |
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07-12-2006 15:27
who???  You know my thread that was an exact copy of this one that replaced the words "athiest" with "NAMBLA member" and substituted my name for your name? I received a suspension by email for it, when a resmod interpreted the thread as a "poll started to attack another resident". Apparently, the line between general tomfoolery and a personal attack is not a clear one, at least for some of the less-adept res mods. Anyways, I'm not sure why I can still post but I want to let you know that I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings and that I'll see you in three days. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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07-12-2006 15:49
Bah! I just got suspended from the forum for three days Jauani! You know my thread that was an exact copy of this one that replaced the words "athiest" with "NAMBLA member" and substituted my name for your name? I received a suspension by email for it, when a resmod interpreted the thread as a "poll started to attack another resident". Apparently, the line between general tomfoolery and a personal attack is not a clear one, at least for some of the less-adept res mods. Anyways, I'm not sure why I can still post but I want to let you know that I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings and that I'll see you in three days. ~Ulrika~ Pfft. I think that's ridiculous. If they insist on doing it then Jauani should be suspended right along with you. _____________________
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07-12-2006 16:07
Stephen Hawking
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Christopher Omega
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07-12-2006 16:08
Albert Einstein may have shortened the duration of WW2 with his encouragement to Roosevelt to build Atomic weapons. His theories (with many proven to be fact) have changed the world of physics and may lay the foundation of deep space travel for future generations. Theories are not facts, they are explanations created by humans that describe, to the best of our abilities of deduction, the world around us. Theories evolve, facts cannot change over time. ==Chris |
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Versu Richelieu
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07-12-2006 16:28
can we change the poll to "Most Lickable Athiest"? way more fun to think about. or gross, if you are keeping the current choices.
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Selador Cellardoor
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07-12-2006 17:15
Id have to say Satan.. but Im an athiest piece of Shit.. what would I know Satan isn't an atheist - he has a Christian belief. _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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07-12-2006 18:24
Anyways, I'm not sure why I can still post but I want to let you know that I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings and that I'll see you in three days. tell me about it! i'm currently serving a 7 day suspension because i hurt some misogynists feelings. next time using some thing more abstract like "wu" or "wuster" or something. read my book! _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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07-12-2006 18:51
As has been pointed out before, Hitler was NOT an atheist (note the spelling of "atheist" From his own words in Mein Kampf: "In recent years things have gone so far that patriotic circles, in god-forsaken blindness of their religious strife, could not recognise the folly of their conduct even from the fact that atheist Marxist newspapers advocated the cause of one religious denomination or the other.." Hitler also outlawed freethinker and atheist groups in Germany in 1933. Here's $1L Jauani. Buy some facts. http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/buckle.jpg lol! hitler outlawed everything that stood against him from http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html Just How Honest Was Hitler Anyway? It is important to be able to identify the difference between Hitler's public speeches and writing and what he really thought. A devious politician leading a nominally Christian country like 1930s Germany will say lots of Christian-sounding stuff to maintain popularity. Mein Kampf illustrates Hitler's views on propaganda:
In a similar vein, consider this, from a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939:
wikipedia a hitler's youths marching song: We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel, Away with incense and Holy Water, The Church can go hang for all we care, The Swastika brings salvation on Earth. _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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07-12-2006 18:55
Pfft. I think that's ridiculous. If they insist on doing it then Jauani should be suspended right along with you. and they should ban you for being a bigot. alas the moderators are only human and the internet is serious business... _____________________
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