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Mulch Ennui
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03-14-2006 05:25
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I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Burke Prefect
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03-14-2006 07:15
Will this movie be the Wachowski Bros. redemption? Will it be a pheonix from the ashes of the Matrix? Will it save them from eternal damnation in a special hell for people who make bad movie sequels?
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
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03-14-2006 07:18
Nope.
Not from all I've heard anyway. |
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
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03-14-2006 07:47
Will it be a pheonix from the ashes of the Matrix? Hrm???? C'est moi?   P2 _____________________
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Burke Prefect
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03-14-2006 08:01
Hrm???? C'est moi? P2 No. I mean the mythical flaming bird. Not that stuff we get when you hair catches fire. |
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Ghoti Nyak
καλλιστι
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03-14-2006 08:02
The comics were excellent, anyway.
And you gotta love the taglines: "People should not be afraid of their government. Government should be afraid of its people." and "FREEDOM! FOREVER!"  Sure enough, since its a movie of a great comic, it will prolly suck. -Ghoti _____________________
"Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
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03-14-2006 08:09
Sure enough, since its a movie of a great comic, it will prolly suck. -Ghoti The Author is distancing himself from the movie _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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03-14-2006 08:47
Joel Silver and the Wachowskis - I think the only way it wouldn't have sucked is if they actually did blow up Parliament.
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
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03-14-2006 08:55
No. I mean the mythical flaming bird. Not that stuff we get when you hair catches fire. I hate it when that happens. Oh, and thanks for the clarification. P2 _____________________
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Toni Bentham
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03-14-2006 09:04
It may be a good idea for a film, but it's probably the wrong time and place. Then again, there will be a movie in the United States about Flight 93 released in April.
So it's all a matter of perspective, like everything else. I don't like this exploitation of tragedy for personal gain, but I realize it's unavoidable. As long as I don't engage in it or support it, that's enough for me. |
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paulie Femto
Into the dark
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03-14-2006 09:17
I imagine that the movie's message - one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter - won't be well received. I own the graphic novel (does admitting that get me added to "the list?"
 and I appreciate (I'm not crazy enough to use the word "sympathize" where the novel was coming from. The novel was written in the 90's in right-leaning England, under Thatcher. Remember, that was the period of Ronnie Raygun and the Sex pistols. Punk rock nihilism. We all feared that the big mushroom cloud was a comin any day.I guess we're still livin under the shadow of that mushroom cloud, come to think of it. But the idea of blowin shite up to fix it doesn't feel so punk rock any more. I wouldna made the movie at this time. Good luck to em. The movie they need to effin MAKE is The INVISIBLES, by Grant Morrison. Ah, maybe not. They'd screw it up. I'll just watch my own mental version of it again. Who wants to watch it with me? C'mon! King Mob's makin popcorn  _____________________
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Lianne Marten
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03-14-2006 09:26
Natalie Portman? Good lord...
I hope that her character doesn't have, you know, a personality or anything. If not she'll do fine. _____________________
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
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03-14-2006 09:29
Yes, nobody bombs anything or blows anything up in the Invisibles...
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Burke Prefect
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03-14-2006 12:34
Yes, nobody bombs anything or blows anything up in the Invisibles... Waitl If theyre Invisible, would we SEE the explosion? |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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03-14-2006 12:40
You wouldn't if it's your ENTIRE REALITY being used as a bomb in a cosmic war, detonated by a Buddha figure who is in fact the ultimate trigger.
Whoops, did I give the ending away? They do blow a lot of shit up and shoot many people on the way there though. In fact the series explicitly turns into something of a satire on Hollywood antics. It's really good stuff, you should read it. |
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Neehai Zapata
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03-14-2006 14:28
That article is stupid. What the hell is wrong with people? It's a movie.
How many movies have some guy trying to rescue a single person and in the process of a high speed car chase probably kills 25 people on their commute to work? How many people did they kill inthe Matrix? When did terrorism become the new black? I live in a world of big fat sissies. _____________________
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Ordinal Malaprop
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03-14-2006 14:40
It's a shitty movie of a good comic book.
That said, all the stuff about "oh you can't have London being blown up because of the BOMBS" is rubbish. We're a bit more sensible than that here, thanks. We still had November 5th for a start. If there's anything insulting here it's that stupid film promoters are scared of releasing anything with a bomb in it, even if it's crap. |
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Taco Rubio
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03-14-2006 14:45
Natalie Portman? Good lord... I hope that her character doesn't have, you know, a personality or anything. If not she'll do fine. /agreed Well said _____________________
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Julian Fate
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03-14-2006 15:54
It was hard for me to enjoy the graphic novel. It was very immature and muddled. The V character is mentally ill. Regardless of his politics and regardless of how bad the government in the story is, he systematically tortures a 16 year old girl (Natalie Portman's character is 16 in the comic) mentally and physically to "enlighten" her. The brainwashing, which appears from the trailer to be in the film, works and all is forgiven simply because he is the Good Guy and the government is the Bad Guy and because V had Bad Things done to him. The ends ultimately justify any means. It is hard to be sympathetic toward a character like that.
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
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03-14-2006 16:41
Which is funny, because this looks like it may be the most accurate adaptation of Moore's work to date. The real problem, I think, is when he got sued over the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie; this soured him on all adaptations, good or not. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
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03-15-2006 13:56
The ends ultimately justify any means. It is hard to be sympathetic toward a character like that. Isn't that the point? _____________________
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Ordinal Malaprop
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03-15-2006 14:02
God forbid we have a story without clearly defined goodies to cheer, and baddies to boo.
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Julian Fate
80's Pop Star
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03-15-2006 20:20
Isn't that the point? Clearly that is the point of the graphic novel, but I find that to be a bad point badly made and the character not worth the admiration the author expects us to give him. It's alright to make stories about bad people doing bad things; when you contend they are heroes, that is a problem. Edit: Missed yours, Ordinal, sorry. What we have is two baddies and we're being asked to cheer one because his politics are less bad than the other in the author's view. His politics are still terrible and his methods inexcusable, but at least he isn't as bad as the other one (yay!). |
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Elspeth Withnail
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03-15-2006 20:47
Julian, I liked the graphic novel, although I agree it's one of Moore's lesser works. For me, I think the point was ultimately 'bad government gives birth to its own destruction'. I'd much rather see Watchmen or Miracleman or Swamp Thing being given a decent treatment, but V could be one hell of a good movie... if it were done right.
Sigh. And the Invisibles... oh hell yes. 'specially if they film Lord Fanny and Jack dancing for the Harlequinade... Grant Morrison=lurve. |
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
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03-16-2006 14:02
What we have is two baddies and we're being asked to cheer one because his politics are less bad than the other in the author's view. His politics are still terrible and his methods inexcusable, but at least he isn't as bad as the other one (yay!). No. For me, I think the point was ultimately 'bad government gives birth to its own destruction'. Thank you. _____________________
"The mob requires regular doses of scandal, paranoia and dilemma to alleviate the boredom of a meaningless existence."
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