The Qu'ran is Fiction
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Champie Jack
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05-18-2006 23:21
From: Michael Seraph I find it odd that you haven't read the Quran. That's all. I don't really recommend it though, it's arranged oddly. When they decided to put together the verses they arranged them by size. From shortest to longest. It makes it really difficult to sit down and read. Although I have to wonder if you'd be so brave as to cavalierly make remarks about Christianity or Judaism. Might actually personally offend somebody you know. I would love for people to explain why it matters if I offend someone who believes in FICTION? I'm doing them a favor by helping them come to terms with their weak-mindedness. Christians are regularly told that they are ignorant and they are a danger to this country. Jews are characterized as manipulators and hateful oppressors (they love to kill Palestinian children!). I really thought that there would be joy in the SL community to have the chance to throw in opinions on the ridiculousness of Islam.
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Michael Seraph
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05-18-2006 23:40
From: Champie Jack I would love for people to explain why it matters if I offend someone who believes in FICTION? I'm doing them a favor by helping them come to terms with their weak-mindedness. Christians are regularly told that they are ignorant and they are a danger to this country. Jews are characterized as manipulators and hateful oppressors (they love to kill Palestinian children!). I really thought that there would be joy in the SL community to have the chance to throw in opinions on the ridiculousness of Islam. Offending some one is offending some one, regardless of whether you think their beliefs are fiction or fact. Your point seems to be that people are opposed to ridiculing Islam but the same people often ridicule Christianity and Judaism. That may be the case, but it doesn't really matter does it? They can now say that you support ridiculing Islam so it's okay for them to ridicule Christianity and Judaism. If you tell me Religion X is the truth and it's Scripture is infallible, I feel free to disagree, heck I'll even argue with you. But don't then go claiming that I'm oppressing you by disagreeing. Don't say that I'm attacking Religion X when what I'm doing is disagreeing with you. Unless of course you believe that you are God. Then you'd probably better just go adjust your meds.
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Champie Jack
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05-19-2006 00:29
From: Michael Seraph Offending some one is offending some one, regardless of whether you think their beliefs are fiction or fact. Your point seems to be that people are opposed to ridiculing Islam but the same people often ridicule Christianity and Judaism. That may be the case, but it doesn't really matter does it? They can now say that you support ridiculing Islam so it's okay for them to ridicule Christianity and Judaism. If you tell me Religion X is the truth and it's Scripture is infallible, I feel free to disagree, heck I'll even argue with you. But don't then go claiming that I'm oppressing you by disagreeing. Don't say that I'm attacking Religion X when what I'm doing is disagreeing with you. Unless of course you believe that you are God. Then you'd probably better just go adjust your meds. You miss the point. The point is that so many in this community feel comfortable characterizing Christians and Jews in the worst possible way they can imagine, yet they fail to apply the same "critical" standards to Islam. When confronted with negitive representaions of Christians and Jews, far too many in this community gladly join in on the offense. When confronted with odious representations of Islam, folks become compelled to insert their "concerns" about the impact that such criticism may bring.
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Richie Waves
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05-19-2006 01:55
ok so its fiction.. but so is the bible.. only the qu'ran roll's off the tounge with more solid info than the bullshit bible.
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vivi Odets
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05-19-2006 02:47
From: Champie Jack Bingo! I was wondering when someone would finally speak up. I wonder if we should stop now because you are bothered, or should we continue to berate, debase, and insult Islam like we do regularly with Christianity here in the SL forums? What do you think vivi? I would have spoken up earlier, but I didn't even know how to put it into words -- still don't. I see your point... My sleepy head is thinking about spirituality versus religion. Living one's faith, or using one's faith as a weapon. Understanding versus fear. You've made my head hurt, Champie. Today, I shall try to be a tolerant and kind person. There is too much anger and hate and cynicism and pain out there... *sigh*
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Selador Cellardoor
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05-19-2006 02:53
Well I, for one, attack *religion*. Whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, even the more inoffensive ones like Hinduism and Buddhism. They are all a drain on the conscience of mankind, and we would be a lot better off without them.
Printing the cartoons is the equivalent of shitting on the high altar at St Peters, which is why the Muslims have been getting so upset about it.
I might attack religion, but I would never commit such a gross act, which I can only assume was done out of insensitive ignorance.
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Kazanture Aleixandre
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05-19-2006 03:20
The aim of humanity is finding the aim of humanity. The aim of my life is to improve my mind and brain and share my knowledge with others. To help the aim of the humanity. If a book(bible or quran or whatever) could tell me why i am here, there would be no reason to be here.
Worshipping means-> doing your business well, teaching others, sharing knowledge, helping others.
If you are best at something, and dont share your knowledge and die with your knowledge. This means you have lived for nothing.<-worst thing.
If a religion is trying to stop scientific improvements, this religion is only damaging humanity to find its aim.<-worst thing. If religions are creating wars between human cultures, this is slowing down human being to reach its aim.<-worst thing.
Yes i believe a creator which has an infinite power. I dont know what it is. I cant know. If we knew we couldnt be here. But we have more knowledge than people who have lived tousands years ago. And people who will live tousands years after us will have more knowledge than us. They will have more chance to understand human kind, universe etc. So our mission is only to help this process to be faster. Common religions are slowing it down. "Ok i believe in god, Jesus, Mohammed,bible,qu'ran or whatever,i am worshipping, praying. so i am ok. I dont have to do anything else." <- worst thing.
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Chip Midnight
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05-19-2006 06:46
From: Champie Jack When confronted with negitive representaions of Christians and Jews, far too many in this community gladly join in on the offense. When confronted with odious representations of Islam, folks become compelled to insert their "concerns" about the impact that such criticism may bring. Uh, are we reading the same forum? Perhaps Christianity is more often a subject of discussion because most of us live in a majority Christian country? No no, that's too logical. It must be some kind of double standard!
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Kendra Bancroft
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05-19-2006 07:09
From: Champie Jack You miss the point. The point is that so many in this community feel comfortable characterizing Christians and Jews in the worst possible way they can imagine, yet they fail to apply the same "critical" standards to Islam. When confronted with negitive representaions of Christians and Jews, far too many in this community gladly join in on the offense. When confronted with odious representations of Islam, folks become compelled to insert their "concerns" about the impact that such criticism may bring. If it's any comfort to you, I believe ALL religious texts are fiction.
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Zapoteth Zaius
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05-19-2006 07:13
This thread is being Locked for Linden Review. Please try to respect others beliefs and religions. Torley Linden: Religion's never an easy topic to talk about without it getting out of hand, even when humor is used. Please note the Community Standards do say:
Intolerance Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life.
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