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Reitsuki Kojima
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07-10-2006 14:01
Toni, the thing your not getting is, legaly recognized or not, it's not a marriage to them. Legal recognition has nothing to do with it to them.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Cindy Claveau
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Join date: 16 May 2005
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07-10-2006 14:28
ok I can't resist posting this anymore. "I've come to the conclusion that if it wasn't for the sex, I could be gay. Hell then your just hanging with your buddies" Give me Lewis Black, who mocked the idea that gays threatened marriage in his HBO special recently. He talked about the secret Gay Ninja teams who dress up in black robes (and matching pumps, very chic) then break into families' homes, forcing them to watch while they have anal sex. It made as much sense as any other explanation I've heard. _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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Join date: 22 Dec 2005
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07-10-2006 15:02
Give me Lewis Black, who mocked the idea that gays threatened marriage in his HBO special recently. He talked about the secret Gay Ninja teams who dress up in black robes (and matching pumps, very chic) then break into families' homes, forcing them to watch while they have anal sex. It made as much sense as any other explanation I've heard. sorry I'm backward here and don't have HBO _____________________
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Musuko Massiel
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Join date: 4 Nov 2005
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07-10-2006 15:02
"The marriages are between two people of the same sex which in thier minds are not marriages. So how are they attacking a marriage that in their minds doesn't exist?"
So if the marriages don't exist from their perspective, why (and how) are they campaigning against them? For them to be against those marriages, they must then recognise them as marriages...which means they are attacking marriages. Musuko. |
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-10-2006 15:06
"The marriages are between two people of the same sex which in thier minds are not marriages. So how are they attacking a marriage that in their minds doesn't exist?" So if the marriages don't exist from their perspective, why (and how) are they campaigning against them? For them to be against those marriages, they must then recognise them as marriages...which means they are attacking marriages. Musuko. its an ammendmant to ban gay marriage, they can campaign to prevent it can't they? From what I read in the original story, the new ammendment would prevent any future gay marriages. _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-10-2006 15:07
It's going to be difficult in this day and age to find a comic you can quote without cursing. How about Chris Roc- wait, no...  hence why I quote alot of the Blue Collar guys, they are reltively "curse free" _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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07-10-2006 15:29
So if the marriages don't exist from their perspective, why (and how) are they campaigning against them? For them to be against those marriages, they must then recognise them as marriages...which means they are attacking marriages. Nope. They acknowledge that the legal recogniton of a marriage has occoured - but that's not all a marriage is, in their eyes. Their attacking the legal recognition of a marriage where none exists in their eyes. To illustrate it with a slightly absurd example: If I were to attack my friend Bob, who makes a six-figure sallary, getting welfare checks, that wouldn't automaticly mean I was attacking welfare. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Lo Jacobs
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Join date: 28 May 2004
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07-10-2006 16:04
Nope. They acknowledge that the legal recogniton of a marriage has occoured - but that's not all a marriage is, in their eyes. Their attacking the legal recognition of a marriage where none exists in their eyes. To illustrate it with a slightly absurd example: If I were to attack my friend Bob, who makes a six-figure sallary, getting welfare checks, that wouldn't automaticly mean I was attacking welfare. So basically you're attacking Bob? Poor Bob, and gay people. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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07-10-2006 16:17
So basically you're attacking Bob? It's a mutual feeling. He's attacking me too. Bastard is eating lunch at McDonalds on my tax dollars -.- As for attacking gay people? Uh... Hello? <----- gay _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Lo Jacobs
Awesome Possum
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07-10-2006 16:42
It's a mutual feeling. He's attacking me too. Bastard is eating lunch at McDonalds on my tax dollars -.- As for attacking gay people? Uh... Hello? <----- gay Nooo. I meant those "radical conservatives" attacking gay people ... rather than marriage ... is that your point? Also you should totally bitchslap Bob for that, but he might sue you. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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07-10-2006 16:50
Nooo. I meant those "radical conservatives" attacking gay people ... rather than marriage ... is that your point? More or less, yeah. I think, if we're understanding each other right. /non-radical conservative, religious, gay... head hasn't asploded yet! _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Mickey McLuhan
She of the SwissArmy Tail
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
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07-10-2006 17:01
If I were to attack my friend Bob, who makes a six-figure sallary, getting welfare checks, that wouldn't automaticly mean I was attacking welfare. I'm not following... what Bob is doing is wrong, accepting welfare when pulling in 6 figures. Following this logic, gays getting married is wrong? Is that it? Or are you explaining where THEY'RE coming from? Sorry... a little fuzzy today |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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07-10-2006 17:04
I'm not following... what Bob is doing is wrong, accepting welfare when pulling in 6 figures. Following this logic, gays getting married is wrong? Is that it? Or are you explaining where THEY'RE coming from? Sorry... a little fuzzy today I'm explaining, sorta, where they are comming from: Bob shouldnt be on welfare, as they think gays shouldnt be married: They arent attacking welfare by saying Bob should be taken off marriage, no more than they are attacking marriage by saying gays shouldnt be married. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Seifert Surface
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Join date: 14 Jun 2005
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07-10-2006 17:16
The right wingers are attacking "marriage" as defined by Massachusetts in order to defend "marriage" as defined by them. Same word, two different meanings, which is the whole point of the fight.
In case it wasn't obvious, I think all of the discussion in this thread responding to the original post is about a semantic issue, which should not be confused with the legal and ethical issues. _____________________
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Ricercar Voltaire
deja vu
Join date: 2 Jul 2006
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what we really need.
07-10-2006 17:40
We don't need to outlaw gay marriage. We need to outlaw straight divorce.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-10-2006 18:11
Nooo. I meant those "radical conservatives" attacking gay people ... rather than marriage ... is that your point? Also you should totally bitchslap Bob for that, but he might sue you. WHAT DID I DO? _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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07-10-2006 18:25
This is too funny... the last time I checked, noone "owned" the word or idea of marriage.
The good thing is that time favors progress. I think that the eventual outcome of the gay marriage issue was pretty much forcasts when Spain legalized gay marriage. It's only a matter of time for the U.S. As usual, the U.S. will be late to the party. _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-10-2006 18:31
This is too funny... the last time I checked, noone "owned" the word or idea of marriage. The good thing is that time favors progress. I think that the eventual outcome of the gay marriage issue was pretty much forcasts when Spain legalized gay marriage. It's only a matter of time for the U.S. As usual, the U.S. will be late to the party. Spain has legal gay marriage? neat! _____________________
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Joy Honey
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07-10-2006 18:33
WHAT DID I DO? Welfare fraud, where've you been? _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-10-2006 19:01
Welfare fraud, where've you been? I did not have sexual... wait wrong accusation _____________________
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Cliffy Palmerstone
Manc in Geordieland
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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07-10-2006 19:11
Spain has legal gay marriage? neat! Not just Spain: Civil unions, domestic partnerships, and other legal recognitions of same-sex couples which offer varying amounts of the benefits of marriage are available in: Andorra, Argentina, Brazil, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Israel, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, the Australian states of New South Wales, Queensland, Tasmania, Western Australia, and the Australian Capital Territory and the U.S. states of California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, Vermont, and the U.S. territory of Washington, D.C.. The first same-sex union with government recognition was obtained in Denmark in 1989. [source Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_marriage] _____________________
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-10-2006 19:30
That does it.
I'm moving to Finland. _____________________
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Cliffy Palmerstone
Manc in Geordieland
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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07-10-2006 19:38
That does it. I'm moving to Finland. It'll be cold but you get all the best mobile technology first. The UK has equal rights and responsibilities for "civil partnerships" since November last year except for one thing: the Church of England objected to it being called marriage. _____________________
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-10-2006 19:44
I'm a little disappointed with Rowan Williams for the softening of his pro-gay-rights stance when he became Archbishop of Canterbury, but everything else I have read by and about the guy makes me like him.
Plus, he has an /awesome/ name. _____________________
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Cliffy Palmerstone
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07-10-2006 19:56
I'm a little disappointed with Rowan Williams for the softening of his pro-gay-rights stance when he became Archbishop of Canterbury, but everything else I have read by and about the guy makes me like him. Plus, he has an /awesome/ name. It seems it's mainly the Bishops in Africa that have the strongest anti-gay position. The best Archbishop of Canterbury we never had (David Jenkins, former Bishop of Durham) would have been pro. He performed the ceremony for a gay couple I know on the first day it was allowed, they were 'civilly partnered' in the Church where one of the grooms is the vicar. However the Church does not allow this; nice to see someone standing up for equality in this way. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4548648.stm _____________________
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