George Bush should be impeached and convicted

I'm realllly bored now. Pros and cons. Let's try to stick to facts and not to personalities. By the way, my mind is made up so don't waste your time trying to unconvince ME. Spend your time on the fence-sitters, etc. Flame away at will.

<doning Asbestos suit>
I likened Bush to a terrorist as is bin laden the only difference imho is bush has the might of the US to throw around they both kill innocent people in illegal acts, i now have a friend in game that wont speak to me so maybe i should shut up now

Kids.

and who is a real zealot. *shudder*

Thats what scares me the most for my grandsons sake theres some crazy people in this world in positions of power, that scares me more than bin laden ever will

nevermind

What I meant was, I'm hoping no one will track me down in game to confront me in a negative manner or try to harm my game in any way. If that happens, I'll never vent my boredom in this fashion again.

mmm, Peach Pie.
I wonder if george bush bakes or if he just calls up Barbera when he gets a craving for homemade peach pie. mmmm

EDIT: hmm, maybe Laura can bake?

Wow. You guys stuck to "facts" really well...

What do you expect for folks whose hatred of Bush is practically a religion?

As for the original subject of this thread, good luck in finding "fence sitters", regarding Bush Jr., especially online, where extremes are the closest thing to "the norm".

Somewhat more seriously, while there are more than a few things and actions of his about which I am, to put it mildly, less than pleased (signing the Patriot Act being one of the first offenses that immediately comes to mind, though to be fair Congress isn't any better for having made it get to the point of a presidential signature), I'm not convinced that any of them rise up to the standards of "high crimes and misdemeanors" that the US Constitution specifies, especially when considering what other presidents have done that haven't raised the "impeach the bum!" cry, save for the relatively few people extremists who'd call for impeachment if the president passed gas at a press conference.

Because defrauding Congress, lying to the American People, conducting illegal wiretaps, leaking the name of a covert CIA operative and launching us into an illegall war are such minor details. Hardly impeachable at all

My wife voted for president bush, I didn't vote because I was extrmemly dissappointed that that was the best America had to offer. I went to Iraq in Jan of 2005, and came home Dec of 2005.
My unit alone lost 48 men in the year long deployment. Our mission was to clear these two tiny towns, Hit, and Haditha of insurgents, which happened to be packed full of insurgents with little coalition support. The locals wanted nothing more than for us to leave, and to let them solve their own government issues the islamic way.
I personally had five men die under my care as their senior medical corpsman. I had a young Marine probably about 24 yrs old fall apart in my hands when I tried to move him to exam his wounds from a 120mm mortar. I looked through a hole I could pass a baseball through in a friends chest from the same mortar.
I was up all night scrubbing the blood off a friends gear so the Marines wouldn't have to see it when I took it up to the First Sgt to send it home to his fiance and mom.
I held a Marine CAG officer (civil affiars group, they are the ones who help the locals get what ever they need, and the ones who give the kids toys) as he took his final breaths while rounds, and rpg rockets zipped into the building we were defending.
I've tried to comfort Marines knowing they are going to die, I've tried to put them back together as best I could in the dirt alley ways of Iraq, and I've seen the pictures of the wives holding flags for their fallen husbands, knowing how easily it could have been my wife holding that flag. I could go on...but you never really grasp it till you've seen a 48 flag memorial to one unit who did one year "over there".
I personally know that the only reason I did all this was for those Marines, because they would have done the same for me. Never at any given moment did I care about the Iraqi right to vote, nor about the welfare of any Iraqi. I found no weapons of mass destruction, I didn't catch Osama, and Al Zarqawi, or however you spell his name got away when we tried to kill him. We didn't find that missing soldier, and I don't think we had any real impact on Iraq other than we decreased the amount of munitions they had in those areas. I am sure they've found more by now. So you as the general public have a decision to make as to whether what we sacraficed was worth it. What we gave up was worth nearly 3,000 men, and whether we've made enough of a difference to support the actions taken. Remember that your decision basically decides if the wives, grasping the American flag that was draped over their husbands coffin, sacrafice was worth it, you decide if their loss has worth to you.
Some have said that "you volunteered" so if you go and die, its your responsibility, your fault. I agree, when the general population asked who will go if we have to send someone, we need someone to go and fight in our stead, and possibly die if necessary, who will go? I stood up and I said I will, and I will still go in your stead to this day, as any of those Marines I've lost would have. But we only ask that when you send us to face death, that its a good reason. We fight for each other, but we go for you.
Do I think he should be impeached..I dunno, I don't agree with the administration on really any point, so I feel I would be biased on the decision. I only ask that when the next election comes up you think carefully about the role that person will play in our history. Republican, Democrat, pot smokin homosexual liberal enviromentalist oil tycoon, it doesn't matter, only what they do with that they've been charged with, just think if they are the best person for the job.
Peace.

Well said.

I'm not good at speaking about things I feel deeply about, but here goes.

There are times when a nation has to go to war to defend itself or allies in the face of attack. The Iraq war, rhetoric about terrorism aside, does not fit this criteria. I believe we are there mainly to further the political and economic agendas of a few powerful interests.

It is immoral to spend the lives of our service members for anything less than the safety of our nation.

Iraq wasn't our business except as we are part of the United Nations. There were no WMD. It appears from all reports that the intelligence saying that they existed was known in advance to be unreliable, yet was manipulated to present a clear and present danger.

We went into Iraq without a viable plan or sufficient resources to establish order and leave. Currently it looks like the result of our intervention is going to be a devastated infrastructure and civil war. To say nothing of all the dead Iraqis.

Also, IF Iran turned out to be a serious threat, we've already cried wolf. We've overextended our military, finances, and spent our credibility.

I think we're in deep trouble, and it's not over yet.

On the other hand, a coworker of mine was in the unit that found Jessica Lynch and got her out. Couldn't airvac her to medical though.. Army couldn't stand for the marines to get -all- the glory.


He's got a nice pic of him reading Maxim while sitting on saddams toilet.

And he too sees no point to the war, the only reason he wants to go back is to avenge the military people we've lost. Which he knowledgebly admits wouldn't have been lost except for the terrorist in office.

These things are all impeachable. The problem is that I haven't seen where these are known FACTS.

Which authoritative body says:
Congress was defrauded?
American People were lied to?
Those NSA wiretaps are illegal?
A crime was committed when Valerie Plames name was mentioned?
The IRaq was is illegal?

Seriously...tell me the AUTHORITATIVE BODY that ruled these things to be true as you describe.

I also haven't seen where the Patriot Act has diminished anyone's Civil Rights. If you have any substanative claim for that, please share it.

Champie

*sees this thread... runs and hides*

Hundreds of reasons

-Ghoti

http://www.democraticunderground.com

Ok, it's basically for Democrats and their sympathizers. OK, it's not perfect. OK, there are some stupid things said there. ETc..... BUT, if you take the time to read and research and ask questions, your eyes WILL be opened. By facts, not by BS or rhetoric. By the way, if Bill Clinton had been exactly like Mr. Bush, I would have advocated his impeachment also.

Really? And what areas do you frequent?

-Kiamat Dusk

*yawn*

It's offical,
He's been "I'm Peached"

Gosh Darn Girl! All that ain't nothing compaired to a

BIG OLD BAD BLOW JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE

Now that's how you get your bad self impeached!

Will someone send that man a bottle of JD and a Stripper?

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Ol' Billy didn't get himself impeached because he got a BJ in Oval Office. He got impeached because he didn't have the balls to stand up and say, "Hell, yeah, I let her play my sax! Look who I have to go to bed with every night! What would you do!?"

-Kiamat Dusk

Amen. Hallalooooya. Praise the Lord.

Thank you very much for your service.