How to best handle trolls?
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Gabe Lippmann
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01-06-2006 12:49
From: Kevn Klein I try to read between the lines to see people in the majority baiting him in, knowing the hot buttons. Then they find a way to trigger a remark from him that breaks the rules. While at the same time appearing innocent of inflaming him. Then they report that post. The moderator rarely reads the entire thread, to see it was a baiting. I expect mods to be more capable of taking things in context, but either way... This is the guys third post ever From: someone You're the one that's a jerk.
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Kevn Klein
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01-06-2006 12:57
Yes, I see, then I read the next comment, where he clarified it. His mannerism is very similar to many in these forums, only leaning right. From: Stankleberry Sullivan It was a joke, dippy. Did you see this line in the OP's post?
I implore everyone -- stop being jerks. It's frustrating.
That's why I made my post. So calm yourself, whiny. George Bush owns you. |
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Joy Honey
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01-06-2006 12:59
From: Kevn Klein I don't think his reference to Democrats is any worse than some of the things people here call the Republicans. I don't find it baiting or trolling to have a strong negative opinion about a political party. I expect Democrats to strongly dislike conservative ideas, and vise versa.
Maybe I'm just thick skinned from the years on IRC, it's so common. I've seen people with so many different opinions, it's numbed my senses I guess. That's why I don't easily get baited into breaking the rules, even though my opinions are very contrary to the majority.
I try to read between the lines to see people in the majority baiting him in, knowing the hot buttons. Then they find a way to trigger a remark from him that breaks the rules. While at the same time appearing innocent of inflaming him. Then they report that post. The moderator rarely reads the entire thread, to see it was a baiting. Gosh, Kevn, you really didn't read many of his initial posts, did you? He started out on a really bad foot and just kept on with his replies of "you don't agree with my ideas and I am superior to you, you are an idiot." Yes I know he never really said those exact words... I attempted to help him, as did many others, only to be rebuffed. I may not agree with anything that you say, but I'm not going to back-handedly call you a moron. If you are trying to help me, I really don't think I'm going to say "You're making up rules!!! you're just doing this because you don't like my ideas, whiny baby." This guy was super-special. He started out like this and things went downhill. Have you read his super-special blog yet? You know as well as everyone else that there are competent ways of having a discussion. His was is NOT the way to go about it. I know I jumped on the bandwagon, heck it's possible I got the damn thing out. Point is, he decided from the get-go to be a jerk with this persona (shades of Tony Clifton). It was he who started baiting people. I took the bait & ran with it.
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Weedy Herbst
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01-06-2006 13:00
Kevn,
Your assertion is way out in left field. Just because a person is the minority of opinion, does not automatically qualify the opinion to be left alone to stand.
Accusing a body such as the SL forums of "group think" is a weak argument. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and dismissing the majority because they are a majority is absurd.
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Gabe Lippmann
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01-06-2006 13:02
From: Kevn Klein Yes, I see, then I read the next comment, where he clarified it. His mannerism is very similar to many in these forums, only leaning right. See, even the next post calls the other poster "dippy" for not knowing that a completely new poster was joking (having no context to be able to judge that, how would poster #1 know that?). This is classic trolling. He jumped into a thread, made a ridiculous post that would inflame and annoy. After being called out for the post by the innocent original poster, he sidesteps and claims "it was a joke" while still simultaneously offending again by calling the first poster "dippy". And he was just getting started....
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Taco Rubio
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01-06-2006 13:04
Yes, Kevn, please undestand that I DO think there can be a mob-mentality at times here; I'm trying to get across that in my opinion, in this particular instance, was was trying to troll. as Gabe stated he started pretty early. here's a couple more within the first 30 hours of him joining - so this would be him first reading the threads, with nobody knowing him, and thusly he wouldn't have been attacked: From: Stankleberry Sullivan I guess I will have to start at the beginning with you folks. You are way behind. From: Stankleberry Sullivan
I see you're one of those people that don't think the terrorists are real. You're a fool.
You should probably stay out of discussions about politics until you are more educated about how America and the world works. Then you won't say dumb things about Bush acting like a dictator anymore.
From: Stankleberry Sullivan Eh, if your comment wasn't so lame I would have had more to say to you. From: Stankleberry Sullivan Don't cry. Can't you put me on ignore or something? From: Stankleberry Sullivan It's fun to use words when you don't know what they mean. these are just a few of the over 50 posts he made in his first day here. I would humbly submit he came in here shoving people out of the way, and delighted when he got a response. Hell of a first day.
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Gabe Lippmann
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01-06-2006 13:07
And, Kevn please note the whole tone of this. Not really much of a clarification that the first post wasn't just a guy being an ass. From: someone It was a joke, dippy. Did you see this line in the OP's post?
I implore everyone -- stop being jerks. It's frustrating.
That's why I made my post. So calm yourself, whiny. George Bush owns you. As to your assertion that his behavior is similar to others, well that really isn't a super reason to think he isn't being a troll. Of those that do behave in this manner, I don't think they would be surprised to find themselves jumped in a forum back alley. 
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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01-06-2006 13:09
So yeah anyways, I wonder whose alt he is...
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Joy Honey
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01-06-2006 13:11
From: ZsuZsanna Raven So yeah anyways, I wonder whose alt he is... might have something to do with a group he's an officer of in world  Whole lot of Alty Altersons created around that time... all officers of the same group.
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Kevn Klein
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01-06-2006 13:25
Well, from my perspective it was a gang attack. I have been in that position, without the emotional responses. I hope he will also learn to let the gang roll off like water off a duck's behind. His ideas are shared by millions in this country, and deserve airing on this forum. To better understand people who disagree, one should be exposed to as many opinions as possible. Filter out the rough language to see what is being said. That's my opinion. Have fun all, bbl  |
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Gabe Lippmann
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01-06-2006 13:29
From: Kevn Klein Well, from my perspective it was a gang attack. I have been in that position, without the emotional responses. I hope he will also learn to let the gang roll off like water off a duck's behind. His ideas are shared by millions in this country, and deserve airing on this forum. To better understand people who disagree, one should be exposed to as many opinions as possible. Filter out the rough language to see what is being said. That's my opinion. Have fun all, bbl You know, I might be changing my mind on this. He really was attacked gangland style by the self-appointed forum "leaders". Kind of like that dude selling Bush-els of Peaches all across the grid. You guys need to knock it off and take the opportunity to see from another's perspective. How very juvenile you all are. Teens!
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Joy Honey
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01-06-2006 13:35
From: Gabe Lippmann You know, I might be changing my mind on this. He really was attacked gangland style by the self-appointed forum "leaders". Kind of like that dude selling Bush-els of Peaches all across the grid. You guys need to knock it off and take the opportunity to see from another's perspective. How very juvenile you all are. Teens! I know you are but what am I?
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Rose Karuna
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01-06-2006 13:37
From: Kevn Klein Well, from my perspective it was a gang attack. I have been in that position, without the emotional responses. I hope he will also learn to let the gang roll off like water off a duck's behind. His ideas are shared by millions in this country, and deserve airing on this forum. To better understand people who disagree, one should be exposed to as many opinions as possible. Filter out the rough language to see what is being said. That's my opinion. Have fun all, bbl Kevn - there are many people in this forum who are supporters of the current president, who are religious, who support the war in Iraq and who are republicans. I have seen many spirited discussions. What I saw from him was not a discussion - it was baiting, sarcasm and abuse, pure and simple. I have seen discussions dissolve into name calling in the past, but his posts never even made it to the discussion phase, they began with name calling and taunting, perhaps that's the difference. When people tried to bring the subject around to a discussion he persisted in name calling and taunting. He was an excellent candidate for the Ignore Button. .
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-06-2006 13:37
From: Cocoanut Koala I agree with Kevn.
coco The Three Musketeers. Kevn, Coco, and Stankleberry. ~Ulrika~
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Felicity Sneerwell
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01-06-2006 13:46
Forum trolls are like gremlins, feed them and their posts multiply. However with forum trolls it doesn't matter the time of day that they are fed unlike gremlins. Stop feeding the troll |
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Joy Honey
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01-06-2006 14:09
From: Felicity Sneerwell Forum trolls are like gremlins, feed them and their posts multiply. However with forum trolls it doesn't matter the time of day that they are fed unlike gremlins. Stop feeding the troll  awwww but they're so kewt!!! Gremlins that is..
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-06-2006 14:29
From: Ulrika Zugzwang God has forsaken us. It seems I might be leaving you all shortly. Be brave my friends.  Dear Ulrika Zugzwang, Linden Lab individually investigates the circumstances of every Abuse Report we receive. Following a careful review of our server records and logs, we have determined that your recent actions violated the Second Life Community Standards or Terms of Service. The violation in question occurred on January 6, 2006 in the region of . Violation: Forum Formal Warning: Personal Attacks We edited your recent post in the Second Life Forums which violated our Community Standards (available here: http://secondlife.com/comstandards.php). ~Ulrika~ Before you go, you might want to mention how much you hate Bush again. I'm not sure you made it clear the first 54326 times. |
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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01-06-2006 14:34
From: Gabe Lippmann You know, I might be changing my mind on this. He really was attacked gangland style by the self-appointed forum "leaders". Kind of like that dude selling Bush-els of Peaches all across the grid. You guys need to knock it off and take the opportunity to see from another's perspective. How very juvenile you all are. Teens! Allright, I say we meet by the monkey bars at recess and see what you're made of!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-06-2006 14:35
From: Ingrid Ingersoll Before you go, you might want to mention how much you hate Bush again. I'm not sure you made it clear the first 54326 times. Are you kidding? I love the guy now. As soon as I heard he went around the 4th Amendment and started secretly wiretapping citizens, he rose to number one in my book! I take it that you do not agree with this? ~Ulrika~
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-06-2006 15:32
From: Gabe Lippmann And, Kevn please note the whole tone of this. Not really much of a clarification that the first post wasn't just a guy being an ass. As to your assertion that his behavior is similar to others, well that really isn't a super reason to think he isn't being a troll. Of those that do behave in this manner, I don't think they would be surprised to find themselves jumped in a forum back alley. Or voted most popular forum poster. Just depends on who's on the receiving end of the comments, I suppose. coco |
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-06-2006 15:33
From: Ulrika Zugzwang The Three Musketeers. Kevn, Coco, and Stankleberry. ~Ulrika~ What does that make you, the 26 Musketeers? coco |
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-06-2006 15:44
From: Cocoanut Koala What does that make you, the 26 Musketeers? Ooh. I forgot about the dark lord of your clan, Prokofy. I guess we should call you the Fantastic Four. - Coco has the ability to apologize for anyone regardless of how bad they are.
- Kevn battles his opponents with massive quotes from religious pundits on the web.
- Stankleberry uses his mind-altering troll techniques to derail productive threads.
- Prokofy has the power to turn any position into a Bolshevik conspiracy.
Together, they are the ... Fantastic Four! ~Ulrika~
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-06-2006 15:51
You know, I don't like your saying that, Ulrika, and sometimes I wonder if you are actually as intelligent as I once thought, considering you have just lumped one person in this thread - Kevn - with me - because I agreed with him -
- then you linked Skankleberry to it and - for good measure - threw in Prok -
- and somehow decided to disparage those individuals and somehow imply that those individuals are a group and worked together AS a group in this instance -
- when in fact I see no such group but the one you just invented for your own convenience, and as far as I can tell, you only did so because I agreed with Kevn.
God, what a crime that must be. Who is this Kevn person anyway?
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-06-2006 16:01
Relax. Have some fun with the forum. Don't send a frown when a smile will do just as well. Let the fizz from a soda tickle your nose. Hug your children. Get ready for SciFriday. Orchestrate and execute the ban of a disruptive poster. In short, don't worry -- be happy. ~Ulrika~
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Elspeth Withnail
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01-06-2006 16:03
A seven-page (and growing, I'm sure) thread about a troll. I'm sure that the amount of attention he's receiving will encourage him to communicate with others in a thoughtful and effective manner in the future.
That was sarcasm. In case anyone was wondering.
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