Talk about mixed messeages

I have to admit that I too missed the humor. It just seemed like an attack on someone that is trying to keep other young people from dying like her son did, for the wrong reasons.

Well, she is ugly. Sorry for not being politically correct, but I don't give a damn.

There's always a crowd of nut jobs that go to every protest under the sun, protesting any and every little thing. And she is one of them now.

Sure I'm an asshole for taking a cheap shot against someone I disagree with (oh well, I guess I fall into the same category as every liberal here who has ever taken a cheap shot at a conservative), but then again, so is she for taking cheap shots exploiting her son's death to express her political views. And I bet most of our guys in the military really love what she's doing.....

And I'll say the same thing (they are ugly) about Senator Clinton, Rice, Cheney.... who gives a shit.

She's not ugly.

It's not about being politically correct. It's about not being a shallow asshole. She's the mother of a dead soldier, not a Miss Universe contestant.

I will not apologize for making an intellectual or a political joke filled with irony. The suggestion that Lennon thought of the US as a "peacemongering" nation should have given away that the post was intended as a joke, IMO.

A perspective that this was somehow an attack on her is stretching things a bit - especially if you substitute Susuan Sarandon for Sheehan in the picture. The joke's exactly the same.

Doesn't the fact that none of us got the irony give you just the littlest clue that maybe humor writing isn't for you?

That you had to explain that it was a joke says quite a bit.

Actually, it reinforces my perception that perspective is "everything". People "saw" what they wanted to see and read into it what they chose rather than considering multiple possibilities.

Ex., Picasso isn't my thing and neither is Jackson Pollock(sp?). However, other's claim their works are beautiful while all I see is childish chickenscratch. Of all the works of both artists I have been shown, only a handful rise above a certain level for me.... I anticipate seeing garbage and that's what I tend to see if I know these guys painted the pieces I am looking at -- and unfortunately(?), that foreknowledge unfortunately(?) seems to "force" the expectation to become reality for me.

I've shown the pic in question and what I wrote to a few non-SLers and they immediately "got" both the irony and the humor.

Those who wanted to "see" something other than humor in what I wrote did so. I don't accept blame for their reactions.

Ms. Sheehan lost all credibility in my eyes when she openly supported the murdering, corrupt president of Venezuela during a recent visit there. It didn't get much press coverage in the US, but any respect I had for her is gone. She owes an apology to the families of those killed by Chavez simply for protesting. I am sad that her son died, but he also chose military service - Chavez had civilians killed. Her appearance there and support of Chavez is a disgrace, and I have zero respect for her.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10704025/

The picture on the MSNBC site makes me especially ill.

http://newsbusters.org/node/3752

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/cindy-sheehan-chavez-great-bush-a-terrorist/

It isn't about blame, it's about how well you put your point across. Your original post didn't seem humorous at all. It seemed like a strained attempt to attack Cindy Sheehan. Come on, the sentence "Um, the Adminsitration says it's actions ARE serving the purpose of effectuating global peace." is so semantically awkward and so logically stretched that any humor intended was lost.

Saying that Mrs. Sheehan "protests the US military being in other countries" which isn't true, she protests the war and then telling us that this administration has claimed that the goal of the war is global peace, which isn't true at all, kills any set up for an ironic twist. Of the half dozen or so post-war reasons why we invaded Iraq, none of them have been "for global peace." So, no we don't see the irony. Not because we are stupid, or stubborn, or anything, but because there is no irony. None at all.

There is no irony in being a patriotic, anti-Iraq war American who likes John Lennon.

The image itself is not so much ironic as it is sickening.

When will you republicans ever give up? This has got to be the lamest Thing I ever heard EVER.

Well see the Repubniks think anyone who protest Stupid George W. Bush is a terrorist. Don't try to argue with them, they will just throw some baby hissy fit.

You mean there was humor in your remarks?

This really doesn't help you.

I am not Republican - and I think Ms. Sheehan is a disgrace. Someone who is supposedly for peace does not openly pander to and support a leader of a country who has had innocent civilians fired upon because they were protesting, leading to the deaths of 14 people, and wounding more than 200.

Perhaps I'm mistaken but wasn't that a Coup attempt? Not a "protest"? And weren't the subsequent deaths of actual protesters (pro-Chavez) almost 10 times the number of casulaties in the days following?

http://fair.org/extra/0207/venezuela.html

for those without perspective, yes, this is ironic.

I can't tell you how many folks I've seen reinterprting the US flag with symbols, images, and colors that denote violence, intolorence, greed, and war.
The fact that Cindy is wearing a "peacemongering" interpretation of the flag is funny as hell, oh, and ironic

Thank Gawd that Bush would never desecrate the flag.

If you wanted to post that pic, then you were free to do so without quoting a completely unrelated post.

I was simply speaking about interpretations of the flag, not desecration.

Oh, and in a case like the picture above, I would hope that you have enough common sense to understand that the flag is not being desecrated. If you can't tell the difference, you have no credibility at all in this thread.

you juvenile spelling of "God" is also noted.

I think many are missing the point.

His interpretations are filled with irony, for example: "Um, the Adminsitration says it's actions ARE serving the purpose of effectuating global peace." is just dripping with it. Also look at the statement: "Methinks the woman needs to reconsider what she's "protesting" and what image she actually portrays. " clearly this is meant as irony as well.

Maybe people are forgetting what the word irony means. (sorry, i'm not going to post dictionary definitions).

Sorry, that only goes so far. She can mourn however she wants and say whatever she wants. I can understand that. That's not the problem. The problem people have with her is that she is allowing her grief to be used as a tool. When it becomes this long drawn-out campaign where you make yourself into a semi-celebrity and you exploit your son's death to make political statements against something he probably believed in, sorry, but all sympathy is wasted away. Same phenomenon as sympathy for Americans eroding away after 9/11, because of bungled diplomacy by the Bush administration.

Or try this:

"Casey Sheehan was an adult. He was a 24 year old man who acted on his own beliefs. He voluntarily re-enlisted in the army during the Iraq war. He volunteered for the mission on which he was killed. He believed what he believed and he paid the price.

His mother dishonors him by casting him as a person incapable of making decisions for himself, and by using his death to advance opinions he almost certainly disagreed with."

That is why she deserves to be called names. That...and she's an idiot.

Then why was "ugly" the one thing you chose to say about her? Are you so beautiful that you stand in a position to judge others as Ugly and to laugh at them for the way they look? Let me judge that. Post a picture, Mr/Mrs. Universe.

Go back and read your first post in this thread. You said not one thing about her political views, or her activism, or even your opinions on them. Instead, all you said was that she was "ugly."

She may be a tool, but you're still a shallow asshole.

Post your picture if you have the guts.

The true irony is the inability to step ooutside of one's own position on anything and fail to see another perspective because one's own "feet" are metaphorically stuck in cement boots. I explained the joke. You can either follow the humor-logic of that explanation or not and then agree that it was made from a certain perspective or not.

However, to say that your view of this joke self-validates the view that I attacked the woman... obviously, that's not my problem. It's yours.