Guantanamo - Three inmates kill themselves
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Kiamat Dusk
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06-11-2006 11:05
From: Blueman Steele oh! oh it's OFFICIAL war.. well.. THAT's ok then.
Cindy you can't be calm and quiet and pull that off as "a more sane mind". Frankly if you are not outraged you are, in fact, very sick.
I'm very sorry that you feel you have to "dismiss" my arguments... it's what you've been doing from the get-go.
The amount of people who died in the WTC is now being matched by the number of troops. You can keep trying to explain away the minor details but you'll never get your brain around the big picture. Good luck Cindy.. you'll need it. The big picture is a war in Iraq and Afghanistan is better than one in the US. The big picture is a democratized and stable Middle East. Democracies don't tend to attack each other. The big picture is much broader than what you can sum up in a cute little bumper sticker or protest chant. -Kiamat Dusk
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Kiamat Dusk
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06-11-2006 11:08
From: Blueman Steele It's easy to love your country when you are part of the majority Kiamat. "Liberty for all" is also supposed to apply to.. well all.
I do look for a new country.... but that can also mean changing the one I'm in.
3 people held without charged kill themselves..... hearing what I heard here in this forum I am ashamed. I feel the reaction is typical. So yes I call it a typical American reaction. I certainly don't consider it right.
Americans have no AWARENESS of human life so they CAN'T have respect for it. What's 3 people compared to all the people dead in the WTC? So it's ok to kill all those people (including innocent ones).
But I'm am at fault for trying to change minds. I can't. Apples and oranges. Terrorists and soldiers. You won't be happy until you're a victim. -Kiamat Dusk
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Blueman Steele
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06-11-2006 11:09
From: Cindy Claveau You obviously missed the part about "uniformed combatants acting as part of an organized state military, acting according to the accepted rules of warfare". Do you actually think you're offering an argument of any merit with that?. I've decided I want to find an kill some... people (I'm not saying who). So as long as I have a country behind me it's ok? I mean I'm confused.. I have the government behind me but the government is supposed to represent the people, and I don't have the people behind me... what do I do? I got the jammies, I wanna start wasting bozos! |
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Ewan Took
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06-11-2006 11:09
From: Kiamat Dusk You say "typical America" as if that is something to be ashamed of. Passive was the Democrat response to the first WTC bombing, the Khobar Towers bombing, the USS Cole bombing, the bombing of two US embassies.
Our reaction has been quite agressive, you'll note.
Shopping is what keeps middle America employed and pays the taxes that keeps illegal immigrants in medical care, public and private education, and subsidized housing.
Proud of my country? Damn right I am. If you're not, maybe it's time to look for a new country.
-Kiamat Dusk
...oh, and God bless Cindy, too... If you are proud of your country you should be proud of your constitution and not arguing against it. This situation to me is very un-American. |
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Blueman Steele
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06-11-2006 11:10
From: Kiamat Dusk Apples and oranges. Terrorists and soldiers. You won't be happy until you're a victim.
-Kiamat Dusk LOL ok that makes a lot more sense.. you believe the whole terrorist BS. We are "official" so it's ok. Dude.... I don't want your kool-aid! Let me guess "You won't be happy until you're a victim." is a cute line you put in so later you can just dismiss something I'm saying with "oh see, you're being a victim... and and it's the only way you can be happy!" That's not far from "sphincter says what?" All you have is words because you have no meaning. |
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:19
From: Jsecure Hanks You know you just reduced them to the status of animals. They get three meals and a religeous book. Big deal. There's a whole world out there, and every day we walk down the street, looking at the blue sky, thinking the women we pass are hot, smiling to ourselves that our wives and kids are well and that we're alive and happy and doing well in our jobs and having fun.
Those guys live in cages like animals. It's degrading and insulting to humanity to suggest three meals and a book is enough for them to be happy. I think the holocaust was better. The people there died, but at least their suffering ended there. Think. Those people will never get back the years of their lives being spent in a cage. It's awful. Any one man woman or child who agrees with guantanamo, I just can't comprehend their mindset. Those poooor terrorists. I feeo so sorry for them. WE did this to them!!! It is OUR fault!!!
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:22
From: PetGirl Bergman Who is next to be fetched a night...
/Tina If by this you mean... what innocent man, woman or child will the terrorists rape and slaughter in the middle of the night in the name of Allah... I completely agree.
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Ewan Took
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06-11-2006 11:22
From: Billy Grace Those poooor terrorists. I feeo so sorry for them. WE did this to them!!! It is OUR fault!!! Convict them of terrorism then!! This embarassment is easily solved. |
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Ewan Took
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06-11-2006 11:25
From: Billy Grace If by this you mean... what innocent man, woman or child will the terrorists rape and slaughter in the middle of the night... I completely agree. Convict them of rape and murder and send them to rot in jail. Problem solved. |
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:26
From: Ewan Took Convict them of terrorism then!! This embarassment is easily solved. EMBARASSMENT... Sh*thead terrorists hang themselves in the name if a sick god and what.... we are supposed to be EMBARASSED. You have to be kidding... good one... had me going there... hahaha
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:27
From: Ewan Took Convict them of rape and murder and send them to rot in jail. Problem solved. You are soooo right... this is all our fault. This proves it, the world isn't short on moronic thought.
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Ewan Took
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06-11-2006 11:28
From: Billy Grace EMBARASSMENT... Sh*thead terrorists hang themselves in the name if a sick god and what.... we are supposed to be EMBARASSED. You have to be kidding... good one... had me going there... hahaha They can do what they want when they are tried and convicted. |
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Ewan Took
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06-11-2006 11:29
From: Billy Grace You are soooo right... this is all our fault. This proves it, the world isn't short on moronic thought. That must mean your constitution is like soooo moronic then? |
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:30
From: Ewan Took They can do what they want when they are tried and convicted. Ahem... no they can't. The farkers are dead, praise Allah!
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:31
From: Ewan Took That must mean your constitution is like soooo moronic then? Since when are terrorists covered under the UNITED STATES constitution???
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Flavian Molinari
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06-11-2006 11:33
Nobody knows why those idiots killed themselves. Could be the treatment they received or martyrdom, or perhaps guilt and shame of breaking under interrogation.
I feel justice would have been better served if the three never made it to Gitmo but someone somewhere felt they were worth more alive than dead.
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Ewan Took
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06-11-2006 11:35
From: Billy Grace Since when are terrorists covered under the UNITED STATES constitution??? The way things are going in America no-one will soon! I believe in justice and would like to see justice done. America is supposed to be the good guys here but they seem to be behaving like the rogue states we are fighting in this issue. |
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Musuko Massiel
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06-11-2006 11:36
"Since when are terrorists covered under the UNITED STATES constitution???"
Has a court concluded that they are terrorists?
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:42
From: Blueman Steele I'm currently working on getting to Canada myself.
...snip Want a bus ticket?
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06-11-2006 11:42
From: Billy Grace Since when are terrorists covered under the UNITED STATES constitution??? What law are they covered under, then? The United States government cannot supersede the Constitution. If they are rightfully citizens of another country, they should be tried under that country's laws, or treated as POW's. If they are not, they must be tried according to our own laws. And it should go without saying, but apparently doesn't, that THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN TO BE TERRORISTS. |
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Cindy Claveau
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06-11-2006 11:42
From: Blueman Steele Cindy you can't be calm and quiet and pull that off as "a more sane mind". Frankly if you are not outraged you are, in fact, very sick. So far you've brought to this discussion 0 valid arguments and several personal attacks. And I'm the sick one? From: someone I'm very sorry that you feel you have to "dismiss" my arguments... it's what you've been doing from the get-go. Because you haven't really offered any arguments yet. None. Just empty hyperbole. It's not helping you - or this thread. |
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:44
From: Ewan Took The way things are going in America no-one will soon! I believe in justice and would like to see justice done. America is supposed to be the good guys here but they seem to be behaving like the rogue states we are fighting in this issue. We aren't the good guys???? That is farking hilarious. How about we give them the same justice that they give our soldiers, not to mention INNOCENT civilians?
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06-11-2006 11:46
From: Billy Grace We aren't the good guys???? That is farking hilarious. How about we give them the same justice that they give our soldiers, not to mention INNOCENT civilians? Being the "good guys" isn't a one-time-earned lifetime free pass. You have to continue to act and protect human rights regardless of the provocation to turn away from them. |
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Billy Grace
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06-11-2006 11:46
From: Ananda Sandgrain What law are they covered under, then? The United States government cannot supersede the Constitution. If they are rightfully citizens of another country, they should be tried under that country's laws, or treated as POW's. If they are not, they must be tried according to our own laws.
And it should go without saying, but apparently doesn't, that THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN TO BE TERRORISTS. Right, I am quite sure they were minding their own business, probably on their way to church when we snatched these angels up for no reason at all. Get a grip.
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Ewan Took
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06-11-2006 11:46
From: Billy Grace We aren't the good guys???? That is farking hilarious. How about we give them the same justice that they give our soldiers, not to mention INNOCENT civilians? If they have commited a crime then convict and jail them. This is emotional bulls**t. Nuns and tiny babies will be marched out next. |
