Stop everyone from trying to call our troops home before mission is done

I think I see the answer. Words will never do it. We have to stop people from having a mental picture of all this happening in weird arab-looking towns and villages far away. Make them imagine it is near their home. The only way for the empathy-crippled is PICTURES.

We need to assemble PICTURES of powerful Middle-Eastern tanks and armoured vehicles, and heavily armed muslim soldiers, parading arrogantly among the shaded, treelined streets and green-lawned white-painted homes of middle america. Sinister alien armor parked up in an american town square, alert and ready to kill at a moments notice. Raiding an ordinary american home, and dragging out its handcuffed hooded inhabitants.

Choose actual photos from Iraq, and use Photoshop to construct a close parallel, but with geography and participant roles reversed.

Maybe then more of the empathy-challenged would suddenly get it. Glimpse for a second the impotent rage of the powerless forcibly occupied by the all-powerful.

Stop buying the rubbish that the "insurgents" are not Iraqi's.

Pictures, thats what we need. Small town America under the toe of the alien invader.
The only thing that will make people think empathically. Change, in the imagination, the location of the action.

Some for Britain too. Nice little English country town with two tanks on the cathedral green, bristling with instant watchful lethality.

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Invader and invaded don't even talk the same language, for heavens sake. Imagine even having your home searched, and your young men dragged off somewhere by someone who talks gobbledegook. Not much negotiation, explanation, subtlety and sensitivity possible is there ?

Not to mention the poor American Serviceman who is forced into implementing all this crazy stuff. Is he being brutalised and abused too, in another way, or what ?

Or they could just rent the movie "Red Dawn"

I think I see the answer. Words will never do it. We have to stop people from having a mental picture of all this happening in weird arab-looking towns and villages far away. Make them imagine it is near their home. The only way for the empathy-crippled is PICTURES.

We need to assemble PICTURES of powerful Middle-Eastern tanks and armoured vehicles, and heavily armed muslim soldiers, parading arrogantly among the shaded, treelined streets and green-lawned white-painted homes of middle america. Sinister alien armor parked up in an american town square, alert and ready to kill at a moments notice. Raiding an ordinary american home, and dragging out its handcuffed hooded inhabitants.

Choose actual photos from Iraq, and use Photoshop to construct a close parallel, but with geography and participant roles reversed.

Maybe then more of the empathy-challenged would suddenly get it. Glimpse for a second the impotent rage of the powerless forcibly occupied by the all-powerful.

Stop buying the rubbish that the "insurgents" are not Iraqi's.

Pictures, thats what we need. Small town America under the toe of the alien invader.
The only thing that will make people think empathically. Change, in the imagination, the location of the action.

Some for Britain too. Nice little English country town with two tanks on the cathedral green, bristling with instant watchful lethality.

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Invader and invaded don't even talk the same language, for heavens sake. Imagine even having your home searched, and your young men dragged off somewhere by someone who talks gobbledegook. Not much negotiation, explanation, subtlety and sensitivity possible is there ?

Not to mention the poor American Serviceman who is forced into implementing all this crazy stuff. Is he being brutalised and abused too, in another way, or what ?

I think another important image to take in is the picture of America if a majority decides to create a Communist state. If a communist party won in the democratic America, do you think that there would be no civil war. Do you not think that people would take up arms and try to fight for their desired way to live. The issues that divide Iraq are more deeply seeded than the American view on Communism. How can you expect a peaceful country, when the culture that wins by majority vote is opposed by large chunks of the country that have already demonstrated that they are willing to die to keep it from coming into being. Iraq is not one country. It was only kept as one by a dictator ruling by force. It will not be ruled as one unless another equally ruthless dictator is put in place. We are setting the country up for failure after already causing a great deal of death by our policies after the first Gulf war, and by the destruction caused by the invasion and occupation that have left the country in a positon of needing to be rebuilt.

I am starting to really hate all these commercials that use the body count of our brave soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines that are in harms way over in Iraq to try and force the President to bring them home. Yes it is the largest number we have seen since vietnam, but this is not vietnam. For one the government we are forming will be more stable than the south vietnamese government who had at one time 13 presidents in something like 1 year. On a second note, if we leave iraq without completeing the mission, Al Qaeda will perceive that we do not have the courage to fight the hard fight and win. If you support moveon.org please tell them to never show their commercial saying the names of those that have given the ultimate sacrifice in service of their country to force a political agenda. That does not honor those that have died.

I agree 100%. Full Victory or Nothing.

If you withdraw from Iraq now, you would leave a massive destabalizing power vaccum in the middle of the middle east.

I'm pretty sure everyone understands why this would be bad.

Why is that a bad analogy?

No he didn't. He's just one of many men that have come into my home with sledgehammers over the years --and frankly I'm getting tired of it.

Closer would be to say that I'm an abused wife. He kidnapped my abusive husband who was paying the rent --and killed my children, and started raping and torturing my cats. Then he started breaking all my stuff and saying he'd fix it when he's done breaking stuff --but it's been well over a year now.

But I lived here with my children and WE knew he didn't have them.

Yes --the guy down the street (who I don't even like) attacked the man with the sledgehammer. Why does the guy down the street get off scott free and the man with the sledgehammer is in MY house.

That's because you haven't really looked at the situation.

Sure he did. The man with the sledgehammer had already made my abusive boyfriend lose his job and his self-respect. I was getting around to throwing him out once I was sure the kids were safe -- ya know he could have really helped more by giving me and my kids jobs and stuff --and then WTF!!! He runs into my house with a Sledgehammer screaming Shock and Awe Shock and Awe!! Now I can't get rid of the fucker.

Are you serious, Kurgan ? I think the analogy of the crazy hammer man who insists on helping you clear up does encapsulate significant aspects of the situation.

If we back down now, who is to stop another leader like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from taking SH's place? If they take out Israel, who is next. If the world turns a blind eye (which the US just might bourne out of humiliation if we left now), how many other countries will be attacked?

Are you really trying to say that the US did not put SH in power?

Uh.... No.

If I phone a school and say there is a bomb that is going off at noon, does the school say, well, we will leave the students in class because we do not feel a real threat is there because the students told us so?

Again, I am not advocating what Bush and the coalition did was the correct thing...

Oh, sledgehammer man took out that house before he came over to this one. And he left his teenage son over there with a hatchet to make sure that no one got out of line, and to take the owner captive if he ever showed his face again.

Not true.

Your saying that sledgehammer man had no other choice but to demolish your house? Are you actually saying the Bush did the right thing?

If they take out Israel, who is next.

If SH wins his trial, goes back to his people, runs for President, and wins on his own merits should we object if their populace clearly isn't?

If someone we KNOW is just as bad as him or someone like him runs and wins on his own merits, should we depose him when they clearly want him?

If someone that seems good runs and become president and then starts a WMD missile program, should we have do anything about it when hostilities have not been declared on us?

If someone runs for president in Iraq and converts them all to dictatorship and they decide to roll over Kuwait for fun, is it our business?

You have zero reading comprehension.

This is nonsense.

Originally Posted by Kurgan Asturias
If they take out Israel, who is next.

What on earth does Isreal have to do with anything. I have seen leaps of logic but this takes the cake.

There seems to be a world cry for Jews to be ousted from power, does there not?

It really is better Kurgan, to be sensitive in a difficult situation like this, and not confuse a religion with a government. The Israeli government has both supporters and opponents in the group you mention.

Many problems arise from this confusion, including the misconception that this government is somehow exempt from the sort of comment and criticism that would attach to (say) the Swiss government if it behaved in an identical way.

As for "world cry", "ousted", "power"............well....err....you wanna rephrase that ?

I am sorry, maybe I should have said Israeli government instead of Jews. There was not malice intended with that title.

And, for the record, I do not agree with everything that this government is doing or has done in the past.

Well, it goes from genocide to removing them from the Israeli land. Take it how you want I guess.

I am sorry, maybe I should have said Israeli government instead of Jews. There was not malice intended with that title.

And, for the record, I do not agree with everything that this government is doing or has done in the past.

Well, it goes from genocide to removing them from the Israeli land. Take it how you want I guess.