FireFox superior to IE?

43,200 people died in automobiles in 2005. Over the same year, there were zero deaths on flights operated by American air services. It seems to me everyone should stop using cars and ride airplanes.

I say this because you shouldn't use Internet Explorer because it poses an inherent risk to your computer much greater than FireFox.

Well, honey, if you use that logic, you're infinitely more likely to DIE if you drive then if you fly. So please stop driving, and fly, or better yet, get a fancy airplane.

Who cares it costs more {FireFox takes more RAM and HDD}? It's you're life you're saving, after all!

Toodloos!

You could also use Opera 9, which is superior to both IE and Firefox and has not had nearly as many security flaws found in it as Firefox has.

http://secunia.com/product/4227/?period=2005

http://secunia.com/product/4227/?period=2006

It seems planes also crash, and when they do, it's not pretty.

It happens also, that high up in the air, there arent as many planes nearby, let alone driving through red, or pedestrians crossing while the red light is still on, or bikers cycling dangerously throu everying.

And very important, only 1 person at the wheel doing the steering (captain _or_ the flight computer).

If you are in number, why not find out how many deaths occur when travelling by boat?

So the whole comparison you make to come to your conclusion is flawed with logic. I can come to other conclusions too:
1. Use computers in autos.
2. Don't go out at all.
3. Stop eating <name product here>, because it's bad for health...

More than half of serious plane crashes are survivable.

And 33% of Opera's vulnerabilities granted system access:
http://secunia.com/product/4932/?period=2006#statistics

Compared to 21% in Firefox:
http://secunia.com/product/4227/?period=2006

System access vulns are the really scary ones. Also, Opera has a v. small userbase compared to IE & FF...so many bugs will simply go missed. And all those Opera unique hacks XHTML/CSS site developers need are a PITA.

But just my tuppence worth. Browser wars are scary. I will now put my lifejacket on, adopt crash position and hide under the desk.

Opera 9 superior? How? It doesn't view a lot of pages correctly, many plugins to view pages correctly aren't available for it, if you have too many fonts on your system (like more than 800), it decides to use completely the wrong fonts to display pages with (and tech support's answer is "uninstall some fonts", and it doesn't use many keyboard shortcuts that has been standard behavior on the other browsers the whole time. Superior? HA!

You also don't have the great extensions like you do with Firefox available.

Ah yes but if you compare the two overall 2003-2006 - Firefox is ahead slightly on system access vulnerabilities:

http://secunia.com/product/4227/?period=all#statistics

http://secunia.com/product/4932/?period=all#statistics

Notice also it is more than double the number of reported vulnerabilities.

Thus far, Opera 9 has had no reported vulnerabilities. A smaller user base is not a bad thing, either - it is a less attractive attack surface.

I use Opera 9 extensively, and have since the early beta builds of it, and I rarely encounter a page that does not work correctly with it. I have encountered pages that also do not work in Firefox as well, or render differently. I have used Firefox, and have never found it that appealing -a lot of the extensions are gratuitous anyway, and often make up for some shortcoming in the base browser - something I don't find myself needing. I just find Opera to be much more elegant - it loads faster than Firefox, is extremely configurable, and I just find it to be a better browser. To each their own. As far as the keyboard issue, the keys in Opera 9 are completely reconfigureable to your own preferences. I have a large amount of fonts on my system and have not experienced any issue with font rendering in Opera.

No reported vulnerabilities because of the smaller user base. A browser that views a lot of pages incorrectly is NOT a superior browser, no matter how much more "secure" it is.

Get a Mac and use Safari, the best browser around.

I've installed it on three different installs of windows, which all had over 1500 fonts installed, and it did the same thing on all of them. Let's see here, I might even have a picture of it somewhere that I used to report the bug, in which I got the response from their tech support that Opera doesn't work well when too many fonts are installed and that I should "uninstall some fonts".

Another thing--if you think the extensions in Firefox aren't very good or helpful, you must not have used them. I like browsing pages without ANY ads. It's nice. I like being able to view video clips in a media player instead of a tiny window embedded in the page. I like being able to right click something I don't want to see again and never have to see it again. You can't do that with IE or Opera.

Keyboard shortcuts: I like being able to just type BLAH and hit CTRL+Enter and it automatically puts http://www and .com, or shift+enter and get .net, etc. I like the other shortcuts it offers. I like STANDARD browser behavior.

Safari is a resource hog, and doesn't play nicely with others. It beachballs on me constantly, when I use it, which isn't very often. I much prefer Camino.

Safari is the only browser that comes to all the new standards completely. I wish it was available for Windows.

Bearing in mind Firefox only came out of beta in November 2004, that comparison isn't really fair. Almost two whole years of statistics recorded during beta (when serious bugs are inevitable) are being compared to those of a browser that came out of beta eight years previously.

Use Internet Explorer, Firefox, Opera, and Netscape all at once. That way you don't have to choose.

Don't forget Deepnet Explorer LOL

The only problem I have with it is that it doesn't like the TinyMCE text editor WordPress uses; but it is the only browser that supports the wonderful CSS text-shadow property!

Well...if it's right what I hear -- that Safari is based on Konqueror...then it's been available for the PC for many years, albeit under a different name and without the Mac UI. You just have to install Linux...and then KDE.

Konqueror has been my favourite browser for years.

Sorry, won't do the linux thing until they start making the gui more powerful. I really don't feel like editing text files and typing commands and researching things for 8 hours to get things like sound working. Until they have something mouse-driven to install drivers and compiling programs to work on the system, I'm not interested. Linux is a programmers dream, and a program-users' nightmare.

EDIT: I just went through a horrible Ubuntu experience.

Tried Ubuntu lately?

Ubuntu is the by far the most frustrating Linux experience I've ever had. I had better luck with full-fledged Debian. Nothing I wanted to use came installed--not even the commands for compiling software. EDIT: And compiling software is a necessary evil when using linux, since at least 50% of software for linux is only available as source code.

We are WAY off-topic from SL, but I'll respond anyway...

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The number they don't cover it how *long* it takes for the browser company to fix those errors.

Mozilla is on the top of that list in terms of getting them fixed quickly.

Guess which monoloth-sized company is at the bottom?

Funny you should mention this. I got a CD to use to install linux. It kindly mangled my partition tables. Took six hours to fix.

What happened to the friendlier linux of so long ago ... ?

I've found Ubuntu a great choice for running a server - most tools you'll need can be got by just typing a really simple command:

apt-get foo

Yeah, and you have to use that command for all the things that need to be used, and there's no way of knowing what the name of the packages are unless you do a bunch of research, and the Ubuntu help site doesn't have a search option, and some of the packages have some downright ridiculous names. I spent over 12 hours working with people in the ubuntu chat rooms to get things going, and then after all that, I still couldn't get the sound card working AFTER a restart. (Delta 66 sound card)

I'd say that RedHat used to be great, until they decided not to do versions of linux for personal desktops. I'd say that Suse is pretty good, but then there's not the package handling of Debian and Ubuntu--so there's really NO user-friendly versions. Again, Linux is for programmers. If you know C++, it's a dream. I don't know C++.

EDIT: Sorry I'm so extreme about it, but Linux has been the most THE most frustrating computer experience I've ever had. I can troubleshoot windows like there's no tomorrow, but put me in front of a linux box and I feel like an idiot, having to ask help for EVERYTHING.