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Lucifer Baphomet
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03-24-2006 12:18
From: Kevn Klein
If you are accosted by a christian, the chances of him being a christian is 100%.


See how that works Kevn??
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Kevn Klein
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03-24-2006 12:18
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Actually Sio says science is logical. Just because she is able to reconcile her religious beliefs with science, doesn't make her less religious.
Oh, and Kevn, dont bother with your science is a religion line, its utter bullshit, and holds no water.
Also, ive yet to see a definition of the word logic that requires the presence of a divine being, as logic requires proofs, something religion doesn't as its based on faith.

Actually, the word "logic" is formed from the root "Logos", which is the Word of God.
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03-24-2006 12:21
From: Kevn Klein
Actually, the word "logic" is formed from the root "Logos", which is the Word of God.

No, logos simply means word, it was after the bible was translated to greek, it aquired the connotation of "word of god"
All those wise greeks who came up with logic prredated the christian era Kevn
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03-24-2006 12:22
From: Kevn Klein
Actually, the word "logic" is formed from the root "Logos", which is the Word of God.

[Middle English, from Old French logique, from Latin logica, from Greek logik (tekhn), (art) of reasoning, logic, feminine of logikos, of reasoning, from logos, reason. See leg- in Indo-European Roots.]
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03-24-2006 12:24
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Did you read my post??

In response to Kevns post where he tried to say a fallen Catholic was somehow different from an athiest.

If you did read my post properly, thanks for the compliment.

But I don't appreciate my post being partially quoted, out of context to make me look like part of the god squad. Ok?

I didn't misquote; I was totally agreeing with you. :)
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03-24-2006 12:24
From: Kevn Klein
If you are accosted by an atheist, the chances of him being an atheist is 100%. If atheists commit crime at almost twice their percentage in the population makes them much more dangerous.

While it's true you are less likely to find an atheist criminal, it's only because there are so few atheists in the population.




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03-24-2006 12:24
ya beat me, Nolan :)

Sometimes I think Kevn is getting a free education by just making factually incorrect statements.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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03-24-2006 12:26
From: Toni Bentham
I didn't misquote; I was totally agreeing with you. :)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, i saw myself quoted along with Kevn in the same post and shat a brick, LOL
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03-24-2006 12:26
From: Lucifer Baphomet
No, logos simply means word, it was after the bible was translated to greek, it aquired the connotation of "word of god"
All those wise greeks who came up with logic prredated the christian era Kevn

Lo·gos (lō'gōs', lŏg'ŏs')
n.
Philosophy.
In pre-Socratic philosophy, the principle governing the cosmos, the source of this principle, or human reasoning about the cosmos.
Among the Sophists, the topics of rational argument or the arguments themselves.
In Stoicism, the active, material, rational principle of the cosmos; nous. Identified with God, it is the source of all activity and generation and is the power of reason residing in the human soul.
Judaism.
In biblical Judaism, the word of God, which itself has creative power and is God's medium of communication with the human race.
In Hellenistic Judaism, a hypostasis associated with divine wisdom.
Christianity. In Saint John's Gospel, especially in the prologue (1:1–14), the creative word of God, which is itself God and incarnate in Jesus. Also called Word.
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03-24-2006 12:26
From: Kevn Klein
If atheists only represent 3% of the country, yet represent 5% of the crime commited, that would make atheists most likely to commit a crime. :)


Could you link to where you got this stat from, please?
Thanks.
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03-24-2006 12:28
From: Kevn Klein
Actually, the word "logic" is formed from the root "Logos", which is the Word of God.


WTF are you talking about. Ever heard of Greek society? Aristotle, Socrates, Hippocrates - I guess when they used the word Logic they were referring to the future monster that would eventually be known as Yahweh, Jehova, Allah, God???

Kinda putting the cart before the horse aren't you?

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03-24-2006 12:30
From: Chip Midnight
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Like Kevn.
Kevn Klein
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03-24-2006 12:33
From: Briana Dawson
WTF are you talking about. Ever heard of Greek society? Aristotle, Socrates, Hippocrates - I guess when they used the word Logic they were referring to the future monster that would eventually be known as Yahweh, Jehova, Allah, God???

Kinda putting the cart before the horse aren't you?

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Read my last post, the word is older than Christianity.
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03-24-2006 12:34
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Like Kevn.

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Lucifer Baphomet
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03-24-2006 12:37
From: Kevn Klein
Lo·gos (lō'gōs', lŏg'ŏs')
n.
Philosophy.
In pre-Socratic philosophy, the principle governing the cosmos, the source of this principle, or human reasoning about the cosmos.
Among the Sophists, the topics of rational argument or the arguments themselves.
In Stoicism, the active, material, rational principle of the cosmos; nous. Identified with God, it is the source of all activity and generation and is the power of reason residing in the human soul.
Judaism.
In biblical Judaism, the word of God, which itself has creative power and is God's medium of communication with the human race.
In Hellenistic Judaism, a hypostasis associated with divine wisdom.
Christianity. In Saint John's Gospel, especially in the prologue (1:1–14), the creative word of God, which is itself God and incarnate in Jesus. Also called Word.


Yes, and Socrates, first of the Sophists, was the father of logic, so the application of Logos, in their schema is the correct one to apply when looking for the origin of the word logic
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03-24-2006 12:38
From: Elspeth Withnail
<Snip>Being religious does not make you a good person. Caring about other people does. Implying (damned near flat-out saying) that lack of religious faith renders someone less capable of giving human life the import it deserves is bigotry. Believing that religious faith makes one more understanding of his fellow man and less likely to harm, enslave, torture, rape, or murder flies in the face of recorded history. Less likely to harm those who share the same beliefs, yes, but that only backs up the OP's point.


Could not agree more. ;)

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03-24-2006 12:39
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Yes, and Socrates, first of the Sophists, was the father of logic, so the application of Logos, in their schema is the correct one to apply when looking for the origin of the word logic

Socrates, Philosopher

Born: 469 B.C.
Birthplace: Athens, Greece
Died: 399 B.C. (execution by poison)
Best Known As: The great Greek philosopher who drank hemlock


Judaism is a bit older than that, what do you think? :)
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03-24-2006 12:40
From: Kevn Klein
Socrates, Philosopher

Born: 469 B.C.
Birthplace: Athens, Greece
Died: 399 B.C. (execution by poison)
Best Known As: The great Greek philosopher who drank hemlock


Judaism is a bit older than that, what do you think? :)



You understand that Logos is not a Hebrew word, Kevn? That's a Greek word?
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03-24-2006 12:40
From: Kevn Klein
Lo·gos (lō'gōs', lŏg'ŏs')
n.
Philosophy.
In pre-Socratic philosophy, the principle governing the cosmos, the source of this principle, or human reasoning about the cosmos.
Among the Sophists, the topics of rational argument or the arguments themselves.
In Stoicism, the active, material, rational principle of the cosmos; nous. Identified with God, it is the source of all activity and generation and is the power of reason residing in the human soul.
Judaism.
In biblical Judaism, the word of God, which itself has creative power and is God's medium of communication with the human race.
In Hellenistic Judaism, a hypostasis associated with divine wisdom.
Christianity. In Saint John's Gospel, especially in the prologue (1:1–14), the creative word of God, which is itself God and incarnate in Jesus. Also called Word.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos

In ancient philosophy, Logos was used by Heraclitus, one of the more eminent Pre-Socratic Greek philosophers, to describe human knowledge and the inherent order in The Absolute universe, a background to the essential change which characterizes day-to-day life. Logos as the inherent rationality of the universe is also something of a precursor to the concept of the collective unconscious, described by Carl Jung, as these two fragments from Heraclitus suggest:

By the time of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, logos was the term used to describe the faculty of human reason and the knowledge men had of the world and of each other. Plato allowed his characters to engage in the conceit of describing logos as a living being in some of his dialogues. Aristotle, who studied under Plato and who was much more of a practical thinker, first developed the concept of logic as a depiction of the rules of human rationality.
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In Christianity, the prologue of the Gospel of John calls Jesus the Logos (usually translated as "the Word" in English bibles such as the KJV) and played a central role in establishing the doctrine of Jesus' divinity and the Trinity. (See Christology.) The opening verse in the KJV reads: "In the beginning was the Word [Logos], and the Word [Logos] was with God, and the Word [Logos] was God."
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Lucifer Baphomet
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03-24-2006 12:41
From: Kevn Klein
Socrates, Philosopher

Born: 469 B.C.
Birthplace: Athens, Greece
Died: 399 B.C. (execution by poison)
Best Known As: The great Greek philosopher who drank hemlock


Judism is a bit older than that, what do you think? :)

Logos is a greek word, not hebrew, also as the father of logic, his (the sophists) use of the word is the pertinent one when looking for the origin of the word logic


Sorry Kevn, your logic is flawed
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03-24-2006 12:42
From: Briana Dawson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos

In ancient philosophy, Logos was used by Heraclitus, one of the more eminent Pre-Socratic Greek philosophers, to describe human knowledge and the inherent order in The Absolute universe, a background to the essential change which characterizes day-to-day life. Logos as the inherent rationality of the universe is also something of a precursor to the concept of the collective unconscious, described by Carl Jung, as these two fragments from Heraclitus suggest:

By the time of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, logos was the term used to describe the faculty of human reason and the knowledge men had of the world and of each other. Plato allowed his characters to engage in the conceit of describing logos as a living being in some of his dialogues. Aristotle, who studied under Plato and who was much more of a practical thinker, first developed the concept of logic as a depiction of the rules of human rationality.
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In Christianity, the prologue of the Gospel of John calls Jesus the Logos (usually translated as "the Word" in English bibles such as the KJV) and played a central role in establishing the doctrine of Jesus' divinity and the Trinity. (See Christology.) The opening verse in the KJV reads: "In the beginning was the Word [Logos], and the Word [Logos] was with God, and the Word [Logos] was God."
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In biblical Judaism, the word of God, which itself has creative power and is God's medium of communication with the human race.
In Hellenistic Judaism, a hypostasis associated with divine wisdom.
Christianity. In Saint John's Gospel, especially in the prologue (1:1–14), the creative word of God, which is itself God and incarnate in Jesus. Also called Word.


BTW, Wikipedia is not an official encyclopedia.
Lucifer Baphomet
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03-24-2006 12:46
From: Kevn Klein
In biblical Judaism, the word of God, which itself has creative power and is God's medium of communication with the human race.
In Hellenistic Judaism, a hypostasis associated with divine wisdom.
Christianity. In Saint John's Gospel, especially in the prologue (1:1–14), the creative word of God, which is itself God and incarnate in Jesus. Also called Word.


The hellenistic Jews, and the christians use of the word has no bearing on the origin of the word logic, as the Sophists were the fathers of logic and were neither jewish, nor christian.

This is a fallacious argument on your part Kevn, which you would realise if you had the skill in logic to see it.
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03-24-2006 12:47
it's pure white, the purest of white.
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03-24-2006 12:53
From: Taco Rubio
it's pure white, the purest of white.

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03-24-2006 12:55
From: Kevn Klein
BTW, Wikipedia is not an official encyclopedia.

What? You mean there's a Global Encyclopedia Commission that verifies and certifies encyclopedias? How did I miss this?
Not official according to whom?
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