When the Finest EX PRESIDENT in History Says you fucked up...
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What are the results of breaking the law?
Everything is Fine
1 (3.8%)
See, we done such a good job evesdropping, we ain't had no attacks
0 (0.0%)
Terrorism... boo!!!! Are your kids safe?
1 (3.8%)
Obey Your Master!
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Privacy is Dangerous!!!!
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I am a Fucking idiot and I could care less and pay no attention to what is happening!
1 (3.8%)
Pie (bush is a stupid fuck!!! why are you wasting my time stating the obvious?)
23 (88.5%)
Total votes: 26
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Mulch Ennui
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02-07-2006 02:32
you know you fucked up i mean come on. this is the President that signed the law outlawing what Bush did saying Bush is violating the law he signed who better to furnish the intent of the law? http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/06/D8FJUP882.htmland excuse makers/Fox Zombies/Bush aplogists, please submit your pathetic rebuttal here, in this thread: oh yeah, before I forget, read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/04/AR2006020401373.htmlFrom: predicted answer Terrorism... boo!!!! Are your kids safe?
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See, we done such a good job evesdropping, we ain't had no attacks
Oh Yeah, take my totally akurate scietific pole! 
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Mulch Ennui
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02-07-2006 02:56
ok, I know I screwed up on my poll!
i worked 15 hours today
15 very strenuous hours
anyway, both poll answers 1 and 9 are exactly, 100% the same and alike. sorry for the misunderstanding and confusion this may cause (and the utter cluelessness this may reveal about anyone who chooses 1 or 9.)
We regret the information stated was/is confusing and hope any damage caused will wake the sheep the fuck up!
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Siro Mfume
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02-07-2006 03:07
From: Mulch Ennui We regret the information stated was/is confusing and hope any damage caused will wake the sheep the fuck up! Why are there Quakers on the terrorist watch list? Must be all those calls from Al Queda... or something... Because we don't monitor domestically and stuff...
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-07-2006 03:33
Finest ex president in history? Hah.
By the way, hatred much, Mulch?
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Mulch Ennui
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02-07-2006 03:45
From: Reitsuki Kojima Finest ex president in history? Hah.
By the way, hatred much, Mulch? name an ex preident who has donated himself more to the world and humanitarian causes? no clinton and bush srs tsunami commercials dont count
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-07-2006 03:49
From: Mulch Ennui name an ex preident who has donated himself more to the world and humanitarian causes? All of which are absolutely irrelevent to the job of president.
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Mulch Ennui
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02-07-2006 03:50
From: Siro Mfume Why are there Quakers on the terrorist watch list? Must be all those calls from Al Queda... or something... Because we don't monitor domestically and stuff... Since taking that religion test a few weeks back here in offtopic, i have gravitated towards being a liberal quaker (as they very much share beliefs I do) but I beleive Quakers, since their formation, have been hated by the government. strong anti war beliefs of the Quakers should make it no surprise the government considers anti war crusaders dangerous kent state
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Mulch Ennui
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02-07-2006 03:53
From: Reitsuki Kojima All of which are absolutely irrelevent to the job of president. yeah, but he was president when the law was signed, and I beleive, according the rule of law, set precedent who better to interpret it? albert fucking gonzalez? george "my pet goat" bush? give me a break? you are kidding me right?
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-07-2006 03:58
From: Mulch Ennui yeah, but he was president when the law was signed, and I beleive, according the rule of law, set precedent
who better to interpret it?
albert fucking gonzalez?
george "my pet goat" bush?
give me a break?
you are kidding me right? Now your shifting tactics. First your claim as for why he should be payed attention to was that he was the finest ex president in history. I called that into question. Now it's something else. That said, no, I'm not kidding you. I don't think Carter was that great of a president. Not even top five.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-07-2006 04:03
From: Reitsuki Kojima All of which are absolutely irrelevent to the job of president. Mulch said finest EX president...... jeez I disagree, JFK is the finest Ex president, as he helped establish a massive conspiracy industry, and helped us see how dull Stone and Costner are if left to their own devices. Seriously if Bush Sr, Clinton, et al were half the man Carter is, they'd still be 10 times the man Bush Jr is.
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Mulch Ennui
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02-07-2006 04:04
From: Reitsuki Kojima Now your shifting tactics.
First your claim as for why he should be payed attention to was that he was the finest ex president in history. I called that into question.
Now it's something else.
That said, no, I'm not kidding you. I don't think Carter was that great of a president. Not even top five. fair enough critique now i challenge you to tell me 5 better ex presidents and please, don't skimp, tell me why  c'mon partner, you took the challenge  Carter has one hell of a post presidential resume I think he was quite mediocre at best as president, but as ex president, he has exceeded any president I am aware of in contribution to humanity (and that is a disclaimer, prove me wrong with 5 ex presidents and their acts out of office, and I will apologize for my title) balls in your court now champ
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-07-2006 04:05
From: Lucifer Baphomet Mulch said finest EX president...... jeez If you really want to rest the support of the aguement on the word "EX", the arguement gets even easier for me. How good of an "EX" president you are doesn't matter. Because apparently, according to Mulch, what makes a good "EX" president has nothing to do with what makes a good president. As well to say, "The finest coffee-server in the world!"
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Mulch Ennui
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02-07-2006 04:05
From: Lucifer Baphomet Mulch said finest EX president...... jeez
I disagree, JFK is the finest Ex president, as he helped establish a massive conspiracy industry, and helped us see how dull Stone and Costner are if left to their own devices.
Seriously if Bush Sr, Clinton, et al were half the man Carter is, they'd still be 10 times the man Bush Jr is. thank you you said it, brother 
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-07-2006 04:06
From: Mulch Ennui fair enough critique now i challenge you to tell me 5 better ex presidents and please, don't skimp, tell me why  c'mon partner, you took the challenge  Carter has one hell of a post presidential resume I think he was quite mediocre at best as president, but as ex president, he has exceeded any president I am aware of in contribution to humanity (and that is a disclaimer, prove me wrong with 5 ex presidents and their acts out of office, and I will apologize for my title) balls in your court now champ Please see my post above this one. I was under the belief that you somehow equated ex-presidential rating as a factor of how good a president they were. Apparently that is not the case.
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Mulch Ennui
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02-07-2006 04:12
From: Reitsuki Kojima If you really want to rest the support of the aguement on the word "EX", the arguement gets even easier for me.
How good of an "EX" president you are doesn't matter. Because apparently, according to Mulch, what makes a good "EX" president has nothing to do with what makes a good president.
As well to say, "The finest coffee-server in the world!" Read it and weep! From: Lucifer Baphomet Seriously if Bush Sr, Clinton, et al were half the man Carter is, they'd still be 10 times the man Bush Jr is.
that pretty much says it all I can't do it today, but here it is name 5 things Bush Jr. has done as president that has contributed more to the world and I bet L$100 I can name you 5 things Carter did as Ex president that exeeded Bush's contributions (please bear in mind, collateral damage, torture, civil rights violations will be subtracted from either persons score of contributions, example, liberating Iraq vs 3,000 US deaths and 30,000 Iraqi deaths does not even equal Carters Nobel Peace Prize award. oh what, Carter never got accused of torture? niether did any other president? oh well, I guess that disclaimer only applies to Bush Jr.)
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-07-2006 04:18
From: Mulch Ennui Read it and weep! I wrote it. Why should I weep at reading it? As for the rest, why should I respond to hysterical anti-bush ranting? I'm not a huge fan of the guy either, but at least I approach things rationaly. FYI, a nobel peace prize means jack. Seriolsly. It doesn't actually have any value.
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Vince Wolfe
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02-07-2006 05:41
From: Mulch Ennui who better to interpret it?
This sounds like a job for .... The Supreme Court!!! Although former politicians would be my VERY next choice to interpret legal issues From the title I thought someone had asked Ronald Reagan via ouija board or something
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Chip Midnight
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02-07-2006 06:30
Mulch, in your predicted answers you forgot to include "why should I listen to Carter?" used as a dodge instead of addressing the actual issue. 
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02-07-2006 07:09
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02-07-2006 07:32
Certainly his accomplishments post-presidency are far greater than they were when he was president and more effective. Nothing to sneeze at that's for sure - not many could come close. From: someone Since his unsuccessful bid for re-election, Carter has been involved in a variety of national and international public policy, conflict resolution, human rights, and charitable causes through the Carter Center. He established the Carter Center the year following his term, and currently chairs the center with his wife Rosalynn. The center also focuses on world-wide health care including the campaign to eliminate guinea worm disease. He and members of the center are sometimes involved in the monitoring of the electoral process in support of free and fair elections.
This includes acting as election observers, particularly in Latin America and Africa.
He and his wife Rosalynn are also well-known for their work with Habitat for Humanity.
Carter was the third U.S. president, after Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, to receive the Nobel Peace Prize award. In his Nobel Lecture, Carter told the European audience that U.S. actions after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the 1991 Gulf War, like NATO itself, was a continuation of President Wilson's doctrine of collective security.
Carter has received honorary degrees from many American colleges, including Harvard University, Bates College, and the University of Pennsylvania.
Since leaving the Presidency, Carter has written 20 books, all enormously successful.
In 1994 Carter went to North Korea at the behest of President Clinton during a period of rising tensions on the Korean Peninsula that were caused by North Korea's expulsion of investigators from the International Atomic Energy Agency and that country's threat to begin processing spent nuclear fuel. Carter met with North Korean President Kim Il Sung resulting in the signing of the Agreed Framework, under which North Korea agreed to stop processing nuclear fuel, in exchange for a return to normalized relations, oil deliveries and two light water reactors to replace its graphite reactors.
Though the Agreed Framework negotiated by Jimmy Carter was widely hailed at the time as a diplomatic achievement, it soon became apparent that despite their promises to Carter, North Korea had no intention of stopping its nuclear weapons program. In 2005, North Korea announced that it had nuclear weapons.
In 2001, Carter blasted President Clinton's controversial pardon of Marc Rich, calling it "disgraceful" and suggesting that Rich's contribution of $520 million to the Democratic Party were a factor in Clinton's action.
Carter visited Cuba in May 2002, meeting with Fidel Castro and becoming the first President of the United States, in or out of office, to visit the island since Castro's 1959 revolution.
Featured at the Democratic National Convention are speeches by prominent party figures. Here, former President Jimmy Carter addressed the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston.In March 2004, Carter roundly condemned George W. Bush and Tony Blair for waging an unnecessary war "based upon lies and misinterpretations" in order to oust Saddam Hussein. He claimed that Blair had allowed his better judgment to be swayed by Bush's desire to finish a war that George H. W. Bush (his father) had started.
In June 2005, Carter urged the closing of the Guantanamo Bay Prison in Cuba, which has been the centerpoint for recent claims of prisoner and Muslim holy book Quran abuse.
Not all Carter's efforts have gained him favor in Washington; President Clinton and both Presidents George H.W. and George W. Bush were said to have been less than pleased with Carter's "freelance" diplomacy in Iraq and elsewhere. Critics of Carter's diplomatic efforts (during and after his presidency) generally concede that Carter is honest and well intentioned, but consider him to be naive about less scrupulous foreign leaders. I think that the jury is still out on whether he is really as naive as he is presented by the press to be or whether he is just simply an honest man who abhors lying to the American people. .
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Lianne Marten
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02-07-2006 09:59
Well, Jimmy Carter is the #6 worst person screwing up America, so lets stop and think. 
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Chip Midnight
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02-07-2006 10:27
From: Lianne Marten Well, Jimmy Carter is the #6 worst person screwing up America, so lets stop and think. Goldberg needs to add himself to his own list. Everyone who makes these things more about personalities instead of about the actual issues is part of the problem. It's much easier to scream bias than to face facts.
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Bill Diamond
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02-07-2006 10:42
From: someone Originally posted by Vince Wolfe From the title I thought someone had asked Ronald Reagan via ouija board or something
Hehehe...I was gonna say that but you beat me to it. Seriously though....Carter?!? I have nothing against some of his humanitarian efforts after his presidency (I am a big fan of Habitat for Humanity), but he was a lousy president. High Inflation, gas rationining...high umemployment...I mean what was so great?
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Dianne Mechanique
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02-07-2006 10:43
From: Reitsuki Kojima All of which are absolutely irrelevent to the job of president. Well he did say finest "ex-president." It's undeniable that Jimmy Carter has done the best job of being an ex president of all. Even if you don't like him,( and from what I hear, Americans for some unfathomable reason dont), you have to admit that. Just for info, whenever the subject of Presidents comes up amongst my friends in Canada, no one can ever understand why Jimmy was so reviled. Arguably the most honest decent President in recent memory he seems universally hated by Americans, yet the most evil, nasty and underhanded one in recent memeory (Reagan), is almost universaly loved (even by Democrats  ). From the "outside" this looks pretty silly to most non-americans I know and it is frequently commented on outside of your borders I believe. 
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Bertha Horton
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02-07-2006 10:48
This is also the ex-President who once claimed he was attacked by a giant swimming rabbit, and who also once reported seeing a UFO.
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