Anything that effects your mood is addictive? Oh really? Well shucks, we can't praise OR fail kids now, because that effects their mood and could become addictive. I love strawberries, but ops! I enjoy them, so they must be addictive... so we must remove them from school cafeterias immediately. I'm just pointing out that there are plenty of things in schools that fall into that category, none of which are banned.
Oh come on Kiari! Way to bend what I said! I never said "Anything that effects your mood is addictive". Are you even reading my posts? Or are you so innervated by my comment about 200 years of no pop" that you are going off half cocked? Does that have you so pissed that you feel it necessary to attribute thoughts to me I never had? Are you trying to villianize me because I feel that way?
Cigarettes aren't allowed in school either, and Fanta is non-caffeinated. When you can show me that not having strawberries makes you aggravated, I might say then maybe you have a problem - plus, it's never been shown that strawberries have an addictive substance in them. I also said soda at lunch IS FINE! Caffeinated or not. Hell, I wouldn't really care if they have a caffeinated pop and a snack between classes. I used to get really hungry about 10 am, still do.
You're really digging here, and you're missing my point - I am saying it's not necessary to have a can of soda on one's desk in class. It can disrupt a lesson with the sound that comes from cracking one open, they can be spilled, it can cause the "I want one too, teacher can I go get a soda" syndrome, and, if they have a caffeinated beverage all day everyday, which I am sure some did and do, it's distracting and it's encouraging them to use caffeine as a crutch WHICH IS FINE FOR ADULTS, but not for kids. Apparently, the people passing this legislation agree.
Shouldn't they have just banned caffinated beverages if that was the concern though? (I actually forgot about caffeine in pop... there are tighter regulations on pops up in Canada, the Surge I drank from my trips cross-border shopping was NOT the same as the ones I got back home)
We got through several thousand years where it was right nifty to rape your wife/slaves and beat your children or kill them. Using something's existance over a period of time to prove a point IS idiotic, or, at least indicative of a serious lack of effort and thought. We didn't have morphine or tylenol for thousands of years... so maybe having that now is what's making our society into a bunch of cry babies.
And you're saying I am being idiotic and not putting thought into this? My lord. What's making a bunch of crybabies is the people who want to give in and give them every damned thing they want at their fingertips, instead of showing them how to be patient and reasonable. The crybabies are the ones who need their bottle and nipple in their hand all day long and those who encourage it. I am sorry I didn't realize I had to live up to your expectations in order to post my opinions. Duly noted.I think there's a definite problem with our no discipline/no self-restraint society. I just have higher expectations when it comes to trying to prove a point. (amusingly, I do agree with you and have in previous posts, I just -hate- the whole "It used to be this way, and now our society is falling apart, so that MUST be the problem" arguements)
You know... Japan is known for their strict schooling, and they have pop in their schools. (oh... sweet Fanta... how I miss thee). Soooo there's a much bigger problem than pop.
I have taught in schools, it's part of my program and I've also done volunteer work in them... and if you really want teacher's to teach behavior to the kids who aren't getting it at home, then stop expecting them to bother with all those other things like math and reading, because there isn't enough time in the day. In an ideal system, where teacher's still retained the rights to discipline kids and had far less to cover in a day... yeah, they had some element of influence. They don't now, and expecting them to somehow parent kids without the authority required to do that isn't going to work. It's not their job.
Sigh. If you think that teachers aren't part of the shaping of the whole being of what a child becomes, then I will just simply say I disagree.
I never once said that I expect teachers to pick up the slack for inept parents. Not once. I said that they share in the responsibilty, albeit to a much smaller degree, for helping to shape our youth. It's not complicated. I thank the stars that a few of my teachers over the years took an interest in me beyond just academics. It takes a special kind of person to be a good teacher, and just running kids through a course by rote isn't cutting it, as we see first hand, looking at the state of education in America today.
I would like to keep discussing this with you folks, but if you're going to put words in my mouth and get all pissy with me because you disagree that things are missing or different than they were at points in time earlier in our history, then you can have the thread, and enjoy your snark. Make sure to teach it to the kids.
