Jake Reitveld
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Join date: 9 Mar 2005
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11-11-2005 10:47
Well at this point you need to find out who the greifers are. LL will not disclose the names or personal information of any of its residents, even ones who have been disciplined and banned. So initially you will need a subpoena to LL. Realisitically you would need to do it twice, one subpoena to cover the discipline records to determin who the offending resident is and one to then determine the RL identity of the perpetrator. LL will not likely roll over and provide this without a fight, as they have huge protection of privacy issues.
Once that is done you then have to locate the person, sue them, and get a verdict for damages. The you have to collect that verdict. It is unlikely that any verdict obtained would be either uncollectable, or not worth the cost and expense of the suit. The problem with litigation like this is that it costs you a lot to find out you get nothing.
I appreciate the frustration that everyone feels from griefers. But really rather than calls for a lawsuit initiated by the users, it is up to LL to pursue these things rigorously. LL shoiuld be on the phone to law enforcement officials who handle computer crimes, and it should be made very clear that griefing that causes the system to crash will not only result in banning, but will result in prosecution to the extent allowed by law.
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Persephone Phoenix
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Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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11-11-2005 12:50
This is true. It's a heck of a lot easier just to recognize people who are griefers and support griefers (in forum threads for instance) and quit buying their stuff. Also, maybe those folks who subscribe to particular forums from which griefers come by the truckload may reconsider their USD contributions to such a forum when it affects their in-world incomes in terms of lost sales. Anyone see a better route? I agree that LL should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, if nothing else as a favour to these young griefers. Yes. To do them a big huge favour and here's why: without consequences for their actions, people who abuse other people for their own gain tend to continue and escallate these abusive actions. Perhaps if LL gives them a real-life consequence, they will reform their actions before they get into serious trouble. From: Jake Reitveld Well at this point you need to find out who the greifers are. LL will not disclose the names or personal information of any of its residents, even ones who have been disciplined and banned. So initially you will need a subpoena to LL. Realisitically you would need to do it twice, one subpoena to cover the discipline records to determin who the offending resident is and one to then determine the RL identity of the perpetrator. LL will not likely roll over and provide this without a fight, as they have huge protection of privacy issues.
Once that is done you then have to locate the person, sue them, and get a verdict for damages. The you have to collect that verdict. It is unlikely that any verdict obtained would be either uncollectable, or not worth the cost and expense of the suit. The problem with litigation like this is that it costs you a lot to find out you get nothing.
I appreciate the frustration that everyone feels from griefers. But really rather than calls for a lawsuit initiated by the users, it is up to LL to pursue these things rigorously. LL shoiuld be on the phone to law enforcement officials who handle computer crimes, and it should be made very clear that griefing that causes the system to crash will not only result in banning, but will result in prosecution to the extent allowed by law.
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