Interesting.

The easiest way to tell that this whole conspiracy theory is just nonsense is to look at what happened minutes after the attacks. Watch the video of the President sitting in the school in Florida looking like a deer in the headlights. Bush definitely didn't know it was coming. His handlers would have set him up to at least look vaguely presidential in such a time of phony crisis. They didn't. And after his visit to the school, what did our President do? He got on Air Force One and went into hiding. If the whole thing had been staged, Karl Rove would have had the President landing in New York City with a few thousand troops, sucking up every photo op he could, not hiding out in Nebraska.

It would have been pretty stupid to take him directly there. "There was just a terrorist attack, lets make sure that the President goes directly there, because he has special medical and construction training that will allow him to help out, not just look like a dumbass leeching off human suffering. It won't look self-serving at all."

Rove is smarter than that, and the secret service would never have allowed it anyway.

Yawn

Nope, especially since Bush could be heard in a video made by a local television station that the second tower had been hit before it was.

No this was a trick by The powers that be to make people think bush was frightened. and one more thing... Why did no one see Air Force One land in Nebraska? And why instead did the location they were at look like An airforce base in Tennessee???

I watched the whole thing as well. Josie - I'm in complete agreement with every word you said.

Well, I wasn't - and have never been - convinced by the 'demolition' argument. Although I do feel there are questions about the collapse of building 7 that haven't been answered. But the 'explosions' that can be seen apparently in sequence below the collapsing part of the towers could well be caused by air pressure blowing out windows.

However, there are other questions that have to be answered. I have never understood how cell phone messages were transmitted from flight 93, when I always understood that to be impossible. I had never before heard the message from the passenger who phoned his mother, and identified himself with his surname. And then asked if she believed him. That was surreal.

The alleged 'confession' by Osama bin Laden was interesting too - I had never seen that before. I am amazed that it is so amateurish. Clearly a fake - and a pretty poor one.

And the film also raises the question of the miraculous passport, which always struck me as another amateurish touch, and completely implausible. The fact that so many of the alleged miscreants are actually alive and well - nearly all of them in fact - is another striking issue.

But all the things I have issues with are the steps that were taken after the attack, in order to take an opportunistic advantage of it - and I think there is no doubt at all that this is what happened. As for the attacks themselves being the work of the US government, that I don't think has been proved.

It is interesting, though, that as I watched the TV broadcast of the attacks live in 2001, at the beginning, when the second plane hit, it was clear that America was under attack, but not at that time who was responsible. My first thought was that it was an attempt at a coup by some American organisation of survivalists.

I think it is wrong to compare this film with lunatic ideas about moon landings. Those are easily refuted by anybody with a knowledge of elementary physics and photography. The questions surrounding 9/11 do not go away quite so easily.

Ok, this is just a meek question, but wouldn't there have been witnesses that saw the plane (or "missile" hit the Pentagon? I'm sure there are, (I didn't watch the video) were they interviewed?

Why didn't you watch the video?

Anyway, there were eye-witness accounts, which varied as eye-witness accounts are liable to do. Some saw an airliner, one saw an executive jet, and one even saw a helicopter.

In addition to the blowouts, there were also flashes seen in the windows immediately prior to the blowouts. Last time I checked, pressure waves and air pressure blowouts don't cause bright light effects. (except in movies, perhaps).



The calls are somewhat of a mystery. For people who have flown, you may be familiar with those phones embedded into the seat in front of you (that are hideously expensive to use). They don't use the same carrier as cellphones so that they can safely make calls during flight. What's really WIERD was the guy saying his name to his mother as well as people identifying they were on an airphone repeatedly. I'm not inclined to believe voice software was used to imitate various people. If you were going to imitate someone you'd probably realize you don't need to have the fake person say their name to their own mother. I would instead put forth that it really was the people making phone calls. Directed ones. As far as we know these people are dead. If our government was behind 911 (as seems likely given the evidence), we can reasonably assume they were in some fashion killed after serving their purpose (and knew they would be).



My first thought was 'so what?'. Buildings have been hit by large planes before, withstood raging fires, etc. At that point I clicked it off and got on with my life. It's not like the wtc hadn't been attempted before. Also I think Loose Change adequately explained why the resulting fuel bomb/fire of a plane impacting a building could not collapse.

I wanna see the 12,000 pound hunks of titanium and steel aircraft engines mysteriously absent from the Pentagon (and the holes they would have made in the building at 550mph). Vaporized my ASS! It boggles my mind that anyone would actually believe that a plane VAPORIZED from burning jet fuel, which is scientifically impossible! All other stuff aside, I think the Pentagon "attack" is the least believeable government stunt ever successfully pulled off.

Thanks for the link, I forwarded it along to all I know. maybe it will get more people wake up and question the "reality" of what was presented (or not presented) to the public.

a friend of mine forwarded me this article too:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-clooney/i-am-a-liberal-there-i-_b_17119.html

go George!

OK!

That picture is from a site explaining why the pentagon couldn't have happened as officially explained, and the picture itself is used as a comparison to the debris found there.

I think 6 ton jet engines appropriate to what was touted to have flown into the Pentagon would be a might bit bigger (even mostly destroyed), than the people in the picture seem to make that.

From 1949 to 1989 the United States and Soviet Union fought an Air War in which air craft from both sides shot each other down and close to 40000 pilots died ... And no one reported this, and it was classified until being de-classified in the 1990's (History Channel)

Well if it is true, I will tell you why so many are so willing to believe the Governments side of
the story:

The Church.

The Church, so wanting to stand behind their God, Boy George Bush, invented new lows in their efforts to force people to support The God Boy George Bush blind.

The Church convenced people to worship Boy George Bush and believe his lie about 9-11 and to take the official government excuse at face value and not question it.

Ah - the last time I flew they didn't have those.

Actually, what you say is really the only thing that would make sense. If I were in a position where I was being kidnapped, and was being forced to make a call to people who knew me, I would make sure I did something totally uncharacteristic, to make sure they had an idea that my true situation was not quite what it seemed. Identifying myself with my surname to my own mother might be a way of doing this, without at the time raising too many suspicions.

Blimey - I'm turning into a conspiracy theorist.

I think the 2nd Die Hard movie shows them in use. So it has either been awhile since you've flown, or you've only flown on -really- old planes. It's only a guess but I think the airphone system uses radio as the intermediary between air and ground *shrug*



It's not a conspiracy if the evidence bears it out to be true.

When I first saw the footage of 9/11 in the morning, outside of my classroom, I thought it was the government doing it. I knew it in my gut. Nothing I have seen or heard since then has made that gut feeling go away.

This documentary stacks brick upon brick to build a case against the inane notion that the US government has told the truth about 9/11. Yes, I love my country of origin (despite wishing Shania on it). I wish the citizens had the government they truly deserve.

That or he was registering the impact of its really having happened (and, likely, worrying about the fate of his soul, if he really does believe in the 10 commandments).

It's been a while.

Actually, the more I think about that passenger call, with the repetitions of 'You believe me, don't you?', the more plausible that supposition in the previous posting seems. I must listen to that bit again.

Yes exactly. I was trying to find a size comparison chart showing the actual size of a Rolls-Royce engine next to a human being but I couldn't find one. I'm thinking though they are probably at least 8-12 feet in diameter, not that dinky little engine part they showed like whould be in a lear jet.