Interesting.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

I'm not normally one for conspiracies, so I'd like the more critical minds here to obliterate the opinions/facts posted here.

Try to be reasonable, don't simply resort to "he's a left-winged commie crackpot with bad teeth" or whatever. Back up your refutations.

I watched this, mesmorized. The movie convinced me to the point that I am going to reserach it further. In the past, I had heard only bits and pieces of "conspiracy" theories surrounding 9/11, and I have to admit, I am someone who would tend to not put this past the Bush administration. Watching all the "evidence" in one movie, sure makes me tend to believe it, and quite frankly, made me sick, not just because of what might have happened, but because of the way in which the media jumped on the Bush bandwagon, without question.

Scary!

Thanks for the link.

I've yet to see a snopes.com debunking, that was so unsatisfying as if citing the federal National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (a.k.a. the 9/11 commission) was proof enough.

However the date on that snopes article does give me pause. If this video has been out for at least 3 months its own site promoting its sale has no reviews from any "biggish" sources to cite either a) Hunter Thompson was right and that no one has the courage to speak or b) the NYT, Washington Post, Mother Jones, The New Republic, The Economist, The Atlantic Monthly and even Playboy have dismissed this as a crackpot conspiracy theory not worthy of comment.

The opening sequence (prior to the credit roll) was indeed compelling and appeared quite verifiable, however, I don't have a press pass to verify it. There was some gratuitous stuff in there like the NASA tests of fuel explosions and the missle crap is being dragged out again.

As they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The total absence of third party commentary - even to say "this is junk" - leads me to believe that it is yet another foil-hat experience.

But it sure did look damning at first.

I dunno why I watch these things...

Nothing is ever gonna come of it. If you think something will, you obviously haven't been paying attention for the past 6 years.

As a general rule, conspiracy theories require supreme competence and flawless execution on the part of the conspirators.

Who, had they those qualities in the first place, probably wouldn't be bothering with a conspiracy.




Might I note that extraordinary evidence is required before even basic refutation.

The experiment where gravity was tested centuries ago (all things falling the same speed) "failed" because the lighter object took ever so slightly longer to fall than the heavier.

Thus "evidence" that gravitational theory was wrong. Heh.

Jesus H Christ. This movie is 1 hour and 21 minutes long.

There was a second pilot on the grassy knoll.

Here's the looniest conspiracy theory of the lot of them.

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20030811.htm

Can anyone summarise the 1h21m for me? Because I've seen pretty much all of the stuff on the internet - I moderate a politics forum elsewhere - and I haven't seen anything terribly convincing so far. If it could be broken down in terms of the major issues e.g.

1. missile pod
2. no plane hit the pentagon
3. "pull it"

etc, I can help.

There is alot of food for thought here. I wonder if any television station or network has the nerve to actually broadcast this unedited. I'm not exactly buying it all, but he does make some interesting points.

did anyone see the fox special that soundly proved once and for all that the moon landing was staged?

I watched it a while back. Let me preface my statements by saying that I am no friend to this administration. One of the things that scared me the most about September 11th was the fact that this administration was in charge to handle it. To this day I believe my fears were warranted.

Having said that, this film leaves a lot to be questioned. It is full of a lot of interesting observations and ideas that make me want to learn more about aerodynamics, the stock market and other topics, but even at face value I didn't find it a compelling conspiracy theory.

After 20 minutes, all I can say is... pretty ridiculous.

Well I know you are just yanking on the chain as usual, but that "conspiracy" is of an entirely different order and based on nothing but subjective photographic analysis.

I don't buy this whole video, but there is actual evidence here, also motive, and indications of a cover-up.

It seems clear to me that at the very least, Condi and the Joint Chiefs were aware of the likelyhood of an attack and deliberatedly let it happen. It also seems reasonable that they "added" a fake Pentagon attack in order to bring the events of that day clearly into the military sphere and thereby justify the response.

The most damning evidence there is the admission that there are photographs of the airplane (or cruise missile), that hit the pentagon that could be released, but they aren't. If you have a video where frames 1 through 6 show the jet/missile and 7 through ten show only the explosion, why release only the explosion?

The idea that the other three planes were "fake" and that the people were moved off of them before they were sent into the buildings is a little hard to believe and much too close to the fictional movie "Milllenium" for comfort.

This theory would be quite easy to prove or disprove though by following the actual people that were supposedly on the planes. Unless you buy into the idea that the military actually executed all those people (which is a bit of a stretch even for this administration), many of them should turn out to be fictitious or have military connections, others might turn up in new identities.

I would bet that the plane that hit the Pentagon will eventually turn out to be a fantasy, but like the JFK thing, it will be so far in the future that no one will care.

While I don't by the whole video --it still seems more plausible than the conspiracy theory offered by the Government.

The demolition evidence (whereby the collapsing of the buildings occurs after a series of explosions) seemed pretty damning...

???

Welcome aboard Siro

I wish i didn't distrust my government (even if I am 100% wrong on mistrusting them, the fact that their track record leads me to that conclusion is really sad/scary)

honestly

I liked things better before I ate the red pill, when we were the "good guys"

sometimes, I guess, the taste of a steak (blue pill) is tempting, even if I know it is not really a steak



i need to watch this video. i'm no more convinced there was government involvement as I am convinced the story played out as "reported"

so sad

One part of the film I found hilarious was that they used clips from FOX NEWS before it decided to stop reporting news...

Reichstag. Pearl Harbour. 9/11.

Your comments are quite interesting...

More interesting comments

IC

Yep

here is the thing about Conspiricy Theories... First, I find it funny that Boy George Bush with-in the day of this attack spoke his warning against these Theories... Second, it seems that Boy George Bush men go way way way out of their way to debunk anything at all questioning anything about 9-11 anything at all even to color of the highway.

Boy George Bush has not convinced me that his story is true. And due to Government interference we may never know if the Theorist story is true.

I watched the whole thing after reading about it here. I too am in complete opposition to the current administration and think they are a generally dishonest bunch.

With that said, I think that while the documentary raises some interesting points, I can;t buy into the full conspiracy theory. The conspiracy would have had to involve too many people for it not to have leaked by now if it were true. There would have to have been somebody that would have had an issue with killing 3,000+ innocent Americans and blown the whistle.

Granted the fact that no remains of a 757 can be postively ID'd at the Pentagon which is very strange. Still, as much of an a**hole as Ole' Rummy is, I can't see him conciously ordering the murder of thousands of Americans for political gain.

I'm glad people are making documentaries like this to point out incosistencies in the story but the overt comments by the narrator were too much. He shoul dhave presented the facts and left the rest up to the viewer. Instead his zeal made this seem somewhat misguided.