I want to ask the Democrats a serious question. Please do not change or make up your own scenario as an answer. Given the choice between two options as laid out, which would you choose?
1. President Bush is absolutely right about Iraq whose new Government flourishes. US casualties total another 1,000. We slowly remove troops from Iraq as their forces become capable of defending themselves and their countrymen. Once the Middle Eastern people get a taste for freedom it takes hold in the Middle East and spreads. Osama Bin Laden is captured and tried and convicted for war crimes. Twenty years from now all of the Middle Eastern countries are free and President Bush is hailed as a hero and visionary throughout the world. The Democratic party, obsessed with their hatred of President Bush implodes. The Republican Party rides this success to 5 straight presidential victories and maintains their majority in the house and senate.
2. President Bush is absolutely wrong about Iraq whose new government is a flop. US casualties total another 25,000 after a massive push by the insurgents, which humiliates the military in a spectacular defeat after which we immediately withdraw all troops. President Bush is impeached, tried for war crimes and put to death. Osama Bin Laden unites all of the Middle East and takes over as the President of the Arab Nations who are now unified once and for all. The Republican party, obsessed with defending President Bush implodes. The Democrats ride this defeat to 5 straight presidential victories, take and keep the majority in the house and senate.
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Billy Grace
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12-19-2005 12:08
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12-19-2005 12:17
Ask a serious question, as your title promised you would, and I'll give a serious answer. As it is, both of your scenerios are equally preposterous, so the question is impossible to answer. I assume that's the effect you were going for, so nice job. You may want to think about changing the title of the thread though.
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Lianne Marten
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12-19-2005 12:18
"Only a sith sees things in absolutes." Or something...
That said i'd choose 1. I've been planning on moving to Australia anyway. _____________________
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Moss Talamasca
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12-19-2005 12:27
Ask a serious question, as your title promised you would, and I'll give a serious answer. As it is, both of your scenerios are equally preposterous, so the question is impossible to answer. I assume that's the effect you were going for, so nice job. You may want to think about changing the title of the thread though. What he said. FWIW: Bush would never be put to death. Presidents love to exhonerate one another. |
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12-19-2005 12:28
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Billy Grace
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12-19-2005 12:29
Ask a serious question, as your title promised you would, and I'll give a serious answer. As it is, both of your scenerios are equally preposterous, so the question is impossible to answer. I assume that's the effect you were going for, so nice job. You may want to think about changing the title of the thread though. Oh, it is quite a serious question. I am sorry if you don't like the options yet I still ask for an answer. That you don't have an answer is telling. _____________________
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Billy Grace
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12-19-2005 12:30
"Only a sith sees things in absolutes." Or something... That said i'd choose 1. I've been planning on moving to Australia anyway. I like #1 too Lianne. Thanks for the honest answer. _____________________
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Billy Grace
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12-19-2005 12:31
What he said. FWIW: Bush would never be put to death. Presidents love to exhonerate one another. Sorry if you don't like the paramiters. The question stands exactly as I have posed it. _____________________
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Billy Grace
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12-19-2005 12:31
Billy, See me in-world for a beating! Promises promises!!!  _____________________
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12-19-2005 12:33
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12-19-2005 12:34
#1 Billy.... LTNS
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12-19-2005 12:34
Do you walk to school or carry your lunch? No answer Kendra? Surely it can't be that hard. _____________________
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12-19-2005 13:36
In an attempt to get at the real issue here, would you say that this pair of options is equivalent?
1. The Iraq war turns out to have been an unmitigated success and the Republican party stays in power for 20 years. 2. The Iraq war turns out to have been an unmitigated failure and the Democratic party stays in power for 20 years. Or is the bit about Bush being hero or war criminal important to your question too? _____________________
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Bill Diamond
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12-19-2005 13:48
Originally Posted by Seifert Surface In an attempt to get at the real issue here, would you say that this pair of options is equivalent? 1. The Iraq war turns out to have been an unmitigated success and the Republican party stays in power for 20 years. 2. The Iraq war turns out to have been an unmitigated failure and the Democratic party stays in power for 20 years. Or is the bit about Bush being hero or war criminal important to your question too? If that's the case, then you could say... 1) Republicans have a vested interest in Winning the War on Terror 2) Democrats have a vested interest in Losing the War on Terror |
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12-19-2005 13:49
If that's the case, then you could say... 1) Republicans have a vested interest in Winning the War on Terror 2) Democrats have a vested interest in Losing the War on Terror If the war in Iraq had anything to do with the "war" on terror, sure.  _____________________
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Gus Plisskin
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12-19-2005 13:49
I want to ask the Democrats a serious question. Please do not change or make up your own scenario as an answer. Given the choice between two options as laid out, which would you choose? I am sufficiently interested in what happens in Iraq that partisan battles ring quite hollow. I care more about a peaceful, democratic Iraq than I do who's in the White House in 20 years. |
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Billy Grace
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12-19-2005 13:50
In an attempt to get at the real issue here, would you say that this pair of options is equivalent? 1. The Iraq war turns out to have been an unmitigated success and the Republican party stays in power for 20 years. 2. The Iraq war turns out to have been an unmitigated failure and the Democratic party stays in power for 20 years. Or is the bit about Bush being hero or war criminal important to your question too? Thank you for the question Seifert. Every facet of the question is important. _____________________
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Billy Grace
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12-19-2005 13:51
In 20 years, those who will know best if the war was worth it won't be us. Rather it'll be Iraqis, injured military personnel, and families who've lost a loved one. For now, the rest of us are pissing into the wind. I am sufficiently interested in what happens in Iraq that partisan battles ring quite hollow. I care more about a peaceful, democratic Iraq than I do who's in the White House in 20 years. So I can put you down for choosing #1 Gus? _____________________
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Gus Plisskin
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12-19-2005 14:08
So I can put you down for choosing #1 Gus? |
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12-19-2005 14:10
didn't you do this like 6 months ago and piss everyone off with your pigeonholing then, too? Or did i just dream that?
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12-19-2005 14:12
Originally Posted by Taco Rubio didn't you do this like 6 months ago and piss everyone off with your pigeonholing then, too? Or did i just dream that? It's like deja vu all over again...  |
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12-19-2005 14:18
I think it's a valid question, if something of a Hobson's Choice for the Democrats.
I've been thinking about this myself, and I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather see the United States as an effective world leader and see us vindicated in Iraq, regardless of whether this puts the Republicans or Democrats in political power come next election. I'm not concerned with who's in the White House - since it's now been proven that the Republicans are just as inept as the Democrats. The question is really this: if given the choice between your political party becoming dominant and the people of Iraq being given a clean start and lasting, stable peace, which would you choose? I know the answer I'd pick. Since I can't fairly answer #1 in the question (being a Republican), I'd pick whatever the reciprocal of #1 is that gives the Middle East a chance at democracy. _____________________
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12-19-2005 14:39
This question set-up appears to me to be Billy just trying to goad Democrats into saying that they would sacrifice any number of innocent victims if only it would get rid of old W. This is no way to have a discussion, forcing people to either not participate or agree to the ridiculous choices.
1) you get to have cake (your choice of flavor), but I poke your eye out. 2) you get to have pie (your choice of flavor), but I poke your other eye out. But... but... I don't want to have my eye poked out! Too bad! <poke!> _____________________
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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12-19-2005 14:46
This is essentially a rephrasing of the question:
Have you stopped beating your wife yet? _____________________
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Billy Grace
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12-19-2005 15:08
I think it's a valid question, if something of a Hobson's Choice for the Democrats. I've been thinking about this myself, and I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather see the United States as an effective world leader and see us vindicated in Iraq, regardless of whether this puts the Republicans or Democrats in political power come next election. I'm not concerned with who's in the White House - since it's now been proven that the Republicans are just as inept as the Democrats. The question is really this: if given the choice between your political party becoming dominant and the people of Iraq being given a clean start and lasting, stable peace, which would you choose? I know the answer I'd pick. Since I can't fairly answer #1 in the question (being a Republican), I'd pick whatever the reciprocal of #1 is that gives the Middle East a chance at democracy. Nods... so would I... without hesitation. _____________________
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