Kansas School Board gets the boot

Pain, the world's worst alarm system. It keeps going off even after the emergency is over.
Putting the brain, the most important part, WAAAAY up on top, where it's in the most danger. hell, even the heart is stuck down low and kinda hidden, but the brain? Nah, let's put that up on top.
Relative strength. Why is the tensile strength of other animals' muscles so much higher than ours. Surely as the greatest design ever, He would have made us stronger.
Heck, why not give us it all? Better eyesight. Better smell. All the senses? Why aren't they hightened?
The platypus. Ok.. so that one was a joke. He has a sense of humour.

I'm still waiting to hear about these other theories of how we came to be...

I guess 'He Who Shall Not Be Named For Fear Of Another Idiotic, Trolling Response' ignores alts of Finning and, thus, Ulrika.

Babies born with vestigal tails
Sinuses (once contained pherimone sensors, now useless causes of headaches)
Spare Ribs

Mmmmm.... spare ribs...

*gets out the Buffalo Sauce*

Mmmmm... Buffalo...

I notice that after people made too many posts that counter Kevn Klein, he stopped responding..

There are many people that believe that Noah's Ark actually happened, literally.

There are a huge number of people who believe in angels.

Does this mean that they should be taught those things in science class? I don't think so.

--and whether intelligent design is truly a biblical thing or not, there's absolutely nothing scientific about the concept. There's nothing provable, there are no statistics to take into account, there's nothing to study, there's nothing to analyze, it's pretty much a big excuse NOT to study the science of how we came into being and how things change.

During the times when people thought the earth was flat, it wasn't necessarily religion that taught that (although it was religion most of the time). Does that mean it's a valid scientific concept that can be studied?

There are people that say that intelligent design and science and evolutionary theory can go hand in hand--this may be quite possible, but intelligent design is NOT science, it is a belief that cannot be proven in any way. It does not belong in science classes because it has nothing to do directly with science.

I know I will get flamed for this but oh well

My belief about creation/evolution

I believe that God created the very first single celled organisms then adopted a "hands off" approach. I belief this mainly because I haven't seen a theory on the first cells forming that adequately answers my questions. I just find it hard to believe for inanimate minerals to evolve into animated cells.

I'm Pagan but I agree with the basic concept.

TBH I think the upcoming game "Spore" could be considered an accurate depiction of deitic influence, well, sans a few features.

Make em, let em grow, occasionally use one to meddle. Makes sense.

See, I don't have a problem with that, Billy.

The difference between you and someone like the K word is that you aren't all high and mighty about it being taught in Science class. You say, "I dunno, but this feels right for me", as opposed to, "You fuckers don't know anything, don't tell me how to disagree with you" and the like.

Dig me?

you made of dirt? if not how do I dig you?

Ok, that gave me a good giggle. Thanks.

How's the no-smoking thing going?

2 weeks without one, thanks for asking

As long as I'm not at work, I don't smoke. It's the damndest thing. Maybe I should sue.

Even if the devil exists he isn't the source of all evil. Humans are quite capable of inventing it themselves.

God appearing in his lounge room telling him that the theory of evolution is in fact, correct?

Billy, there will be one before long, but even then how does that deny any room for your faith? No matter at what point you say "God did this", there's still room for science to say "but how?" -- if god did not do it through some natural aegis, it would be very much out of character and a violation of his own natural laws don't you think? Suppose Life had already begun on a few million other planets before it ever began here -- Why wasn't his "hands off" policy set up way before the formation of the Universe (after all, he's omniscient, right?) and Life simply self-starts and self-propagates in unimaginable ways in accordance with its environment? That would include the mechanisms that would convert some mysterious combination of methane ice, hydrocarbons, salt water and electrical current into a self-replicating microorganism.


But we're made out of inanimate minerals. What we struggle with is using our finite brains to grasp the concept of "4 billion years", which is an unimaginable stretch of time. But it's long enough for the natural mechanisms of evolution to produce amoebas, eukaryota, bacteria, fish, birds, and apes in a very long series of events and adaptations.

What we see is the appearance of design, but as others have pointed out, that design is inefficient and weak except when it comes to adapting into more robust versions of itself. Any Intelligent Designer worth his salt wouldn't have to create billions of different species that fail and go extinct. You'd think.

and when such a theory comes out that answers my questions I will believe it. I do not believe in creation very strongly, evolution makes too much sense. However untill all my questions are answered about the origins of life, this willbe my belief. You say life may have begun on other planets, wouldn't an omnipotent God be able to create life there as well? This is an "until there is more substantial evidence of..." belief mainly. You can never convince me that God doesn't exist so don't try, God to me is a spiritual emotion and icon more than say a physical being. You may not like that idea and I will respect that, however try and respect my beliefs as well. (last part not directly meant for you, Cindy)

Now you say natural evolution is to form life, its quite the opposite actually. Natural law is such that all things break down to their base minerals IE decomposition. So how is it "natural" for life to evolve from base minerals? Once you can answer that question, I will stop believing in creation entirely.

/milkthrunose

I suspect that many creationists have trouble incorporating evolution in to their belief because of the concept of "in his own image." It we evolved from single celled organisms and share a common ancestor with the great apes then was god also at one point a single cell or a simian? A big part of the creation story is the aggrandizement of man above all but god and setting us apart from nature.

hmm did you read my theory?

Yep. Your belief is simply Deism which I consider etremely benign and in no way a rejection of science, so my comment really doesn't apply to you.

ehh you say tomato, I say 'mater so its all good

Have you ever had a cold?

Billy, I understand that. I was trying (not successfully) to say that it won't matter what science finds, there will always be room for beliefs. The rub comes when some beliefs are so specific and absolute they cannot yield to new discoveries (Galileo, Darwin, et al).


Of course, but to me this is only another version of the Creationist "special creation" idea writ large. It involves a whole lot of creatin' going on when it would be so much easier just to write the basic program and turn it loose on the universe


Good because my goal is not to dissuade you from believing in God.


I think you're mixing the entropy laws with biological adaptation. Entropy (or the Second Law of Thermodynamics) only holds in closed systems. Earth (or other planets) and Life are not closed systems. They are open to all manner of outside agents & influences.

Prove to me that it's not.