Boys kissing vs Girls kissing

As I mentioned in another thread with a gender issue, men can be, and often are, aroused visually. Women are more biased towards touch for arousal. Thing is men are also aroused by touch so women have a larger arsenal of things with which to make men turn into brainless heaps.

I'm not sure about the mechanic for disgust but it might be similar.

P.S. So guys ... if you think making a really hot av will get the chix ... don't expect it to work. You're better off uploading some sensual sounding voice clips. You women however have the upper hand.

See? It's things like this that make me glad I'm gay. The rules are just as complex, but you don't have the problem of trying to understand the mentality of a different species at the same time.

but but but.... I don't take exception!

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Then again, I am an exception, nevermind.

I have seen this argument before, and it is certainly not true in my case. I have no problems at all, incidentally, with males kissing, although it doesn't turn me on. With women, if they are not kissing to please each other then is it also not a turn on - women who snog other women to turn on the surrounding males is a great turn-off for me. To me the turn-on is the physical *and emotional* relationship between them that I find so - what, erotic, touching, sensual, you name it. Also I have enjoyed watching butch dykes getting it on. And the age or physical beauty of the women is also only a very minor factor.

As for the psychological reason behind it all, I wouldn't like to hazard a guess. But it's certainly not a case of seeing them as 'waiting around for a man to show up'. A man definitely doesn't belong in that scenario.

You need new lesbian friends
I happen to know a few lesbians myself... and some of them are pretty hot

It's not about hot. It's about those dagger-fingernails I would never let anywhere near something tender, and the silly high heels. I don't want to be jabbed by nails or shoes in the heat of passion.

Yeah, well, I said they were hot, not pornstars... I have never met a girl with huge nails or high heels, regardless of sexual orientation

Whisker burns are ugly and look like a rash.

Seriously, I don't care who kisses who, gay, lesbian, straight..just get a room

That's an interesting take on it. I don't know if you'll agree with this, but consider the moral implications behind this ingrained notion that women are sexual objects, and men are not.

The traditional male role in sex is to do something to another body. If men want sex, they have to act. If they feel this act is in any way shameful or hurtful, they end up with guilt over something they've done. It gets easier to do these things if men can think of women as objects, something different from themselves. It lessens the "sin" in their own mind.

But what happens if a man is suddenly the subject of the same sort of attentions he does to women? All the guilt and disgust over these types of acts collapses back on him.

I may not be getting at the same insecurity you're talking about here, but I think this liability of being the cause of sexual acts rather than the effect of them is at the heart of it.

Oddly enough, I know of only a few Lesbians (TM) who get off on seeing guys kissing/* guys, but those few really like it.

And at least one of them likes it when both guys are dressed as girls, so there...

And I suppose that somehow, this whole subject gets an order of magnitude more complex when you factor furries/mechies into the mix.
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"I wondered aloud why men cannot seem to tolerate the sight of two other men making out, but two women making out is the hottest fantasy they can think of."

You're being rather too general with your "men can't tolerate it". I can tell you quite catagorically, I find it rather a pleasing sight. *grin*.

That said, let's balance things a bit. Many straight men like lesbian porn. On the other side, many straight women like gay romance/anime yaoi, etc. I have no idea what the pyschology behind it might be, though.

Musuko.

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Well, as far as I go, I'm a straight guy and do not enjoy kissing men and don't like seeing two guys kiss. As far as women kissing goes, though, yeah, it's erotic and stimulates me, but what do you expect from a guy?

And well, it is pretty much every network's job to represent public trends, advertise, and well, to be honest, brainwash us. (to a certain extent) I'm also disappointed to hear that most women find guys that are not interested in them to be entertaining. Maybe that's because they share alot of the same qualities you do as far as being more feminine? Maybe, just maybe, that's why us straight guys have a problem with them, because they try to assume qualities that are not natural to a male.

Why they evoke strong emotions? Well, to be honest, most of us males don't like seeing two other guys making out. Even alot of girls don't because they find that to be of an unmanly quality. To those of us that find disgust in it (and that's not FEAR, for all of you word twisters)
it's simply unnatural. It (in my case) evokes strong disgust, not anger or hate or anything like that...just gives me the heebie jeebies. Like seeing someone eat caterpillars and regurgitating them, it gives me that reaction.

But as far as watching something like that goes, at least we still have the option to change the channel.

"it's simply unnatural."

Firstly, homosexuality has been observed in plenty of animal species.

Secondly, it is also natural to vomit your food into the mouth of your child (birds), eat your own faeces (rabbits) and to eat your mate after sex (black widow spiders).

So let's not use "nature" as a basis of how we live, because what's "natural" for us doesn't involve the internal combustion engine, paper money, telecommunications or online virtual realities.

Unless, of course, you define "natural" as "that which one does when following their instincts, desires or moral code". In which case, two men kissing is perfectly natural. It may not be "right", or moral, or acceptable in your opinion, but it is natural (and if it's not, let's get back to living in trees).

Musuko.

Your post left me baffled. Here's the deal sweetie. Your husband is a homophobe. Ach Oh Em Oh - Phobe. If he had to "Rant" because HBO features a demographic of society that can't be squashed, he's a flat out bigot. Say it baby. The truth will set you free. Call it what it is.

You assertations regarding society embracing lesbianism on a more broad scale is accurate enough, but you take it a step further to deliberately insult the male counterpart- you smell better? You kiss better? Hmm, bring on that tempermental hubby of your and lets get his opinion on that.

Finally, wether you are even aware of it or not, you patronizing attitude regarding homosexuals leaves a lot to be desired. Frankly, because you're not saying what you think, instead it coming out in some veiled attempt at political correctness. " And gay guys are just more entertaining than straight ones."

I'm sure they're happy they could entertain you.

This has to be one of the all time best threads and I'm not joking! By the time I finished reading all of the posts I even forgot what the OP had said!

Oh and by the way you guys please don't ruin this thread by fighting and insulting each other. Takes your fights to somehwere else please.

Unless it is a cat fight of course... mmm... yummy and hawt!!!

I'll take my husband's tolerant and intelligent view of people before I put up with your judgmental bullshit. He was merely wondering aloud why HBO feels the need to over-emphasize a very small demographic of our society (around 6% from most sources I find - certainly not much larger than 10%) - and in many cases, doing so in a very stereotypical way that did not help the cause. It was a good question, but I also reminded him that it was entertainment, not a sociology study.


Yep. I wear perfume and I don't have to shave my face. How about you?


Translation: You don' t know me, so you're going to take a wild-assed guess as to my real opinions on the issue. How about you save your breath before you look any more assinine?

I've removed the inflammatory personal attack from this thread and wanted to remind everyone to please refrain from personally attacking one another.

Unless of course you have done your thing and been cast aside while the two women have wild monkey sex for hours on end the rest of the evening.

Could get a wee bit boring for you.

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As far as natural goes, I was talking of how things occur to us naturally or may not occur to us naturally, but you're right, I know what goes on with nature and homo-sexuality.