20 States ban gay marriages

It was meant to be absurd.

by your own "comparing ppl to object theory" why compare ppl to water fountains? i am saying have 2 names for the same thing, not 2 things with different names

Not according to people who take furry culture seriously. Yes, it's a stretch, but a truly free country accomodates the most liberal views of as many people as possible without sacrificing the lives and wellbeing of the populace itself.

Two names for the same thing is still "seperate but equal". That was the whole fucking point of my "ppl to object theory" (ppl is people minus THREE LETTERS. You can type THREE LETTERS, I'm sure), to show you that it was still "seperate but equal", which is not permitted.

who's sacrificing thier lives and wellbeing over this?

Ok .. then if it is THE SAME THING then why have two DIFFERENT names for it? Especially when its obvious that the only arguement to fight the use of the word "marriage" when it denotes non-heterosexual couples is "We called it first" or "No, I refuse to share."

... and people would cry out in UPROAR if they changed the wording to make everyone that is currently "married", "Civil Union"ed. No matter HOW much sense it makes .. people would throw fits in the street.

Score! Finally someone gets the point. I can't believe the whole debate keeps centering around terminology. Perhaps we should try to make it where civil unions come with even better perks than marriage and see how well that works.

um ... gay people ..

I've been making that point for two years on this forum -.-

and ignore the historical significance of the word?

yes , i know at least a year ago you brought it up on the Oklahoma Gay Marriage thread

I dont know if they never will remove Marriage tho - its ingrained into US society. Realistically to many its as secular as Santa Claus and the Easter bunny.

I dont know hopefully some can understand though why the words are important when that particualiar arguement is used.

Then you admit they aren't the same thing?

Tradition????

You really don't want me to make a list of all the things that were once "tradition" and are now amended or considered unconstitutional do you?

huh? i'm sorry but you have me confused. if you go way back to my very first post you will see that i said its traditionaly man+woman= marriage (shortened slightly) and that i would rather have that term used for that meaning. you have to admit that after 2000 plus years the word marriage(including its translations) has taken on a set meaning. i would like to see that preserved. i guess its cause i'm a historian by profession.

tradition also is the fundamental underpinnings of society. so your list maybe long nolan, but it is short compared to what traditions are still around and going strong.

Pretty much that would be the idea. Much as in The United States we no longer have slavery and let women vote.

I would think a historian would be more interested in observing a historical event, as opposed to keeping everything form changing. I think you mean you are an antiquarian.

If in fact you are a "historian by profession" then you should realize that "marriage" existed before the Christians got ahold of it ... before the Jews practiced it ... and back all the way to days long ago when religion consisted of praying to the sun in hopes that it doesn't swallow the planet.

The word "marriage" (translated into different languages of course) has been used for far longer than 2000 years .. and has been used to "marry" men to animals, plants, etc.

Currently some cultures marry humans to non-human creatures or objects.

Christians do not have a "monolopy" on the WORD marriage.

Thats like saying "Gays can't say 'Good morning' .. because WE say 'Good morning' and have been for years!"

"Racial Minorities can't play baseball .. because WE played baseball first!" .. well .. they can .. and alot of the time they're better at it than causcasians.

Maybe you're just afraid homosexuals will end up better at marriage than heterosexuals?

however i do believe the word slavery is still around and has the same meaning.

The fundemental underpinnings of civilization has always been growth and progressive increase of freedom and liberty. The regressives of society would have no doubt argued their way out of leaving the treetops.

You really, really don't wanna get into a "preserve the meaning of the word" pissing contest with an english professor by choice and education.

That wasn't my point - you're taking what I said well out of context. I am talking about traditions which infringe upon equal rights.

i used that number as an arbitrary number and didn't even think about it, my mistake wasn't meant to be taken that way. marriage isn't a compitition

i didn't take anything out of context, i used your full post and replied to it fully, however thats beside the point, for every negative one you can think of there are dozens you follow without a conscience thought to the contrary

i don't care who i get into the debate with, as long as they are 1. knowledgable 2. leave insults out of it 3. actually consider what the other person is saying

but semantics is not my specialty, i prefer military history