Internet connection unstable while playing SL
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Jesseaitui Petion
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Join date: 2 Jan 2006
Posts: 2,175
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03-25-2006 02:59
Ever since all the Sl updates i`ve been having tons of problems but this is one that has been going on for quite awhile. Whenever I am playing SL my internet connection goes in and out, which is highly annoying for obvious reasons. When SL is closed and i`m just browsing the net, listening to music, watching online movies, etc, everything is fine. When SL is on my internet connection is a nightmare. I am using wireless with a laptop and I don`t initially assume it has anything to do with my router, but perhaps it does. Any ideas? I would love to have this fixed. 
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Vicious Enigma
Registered User
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 9
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03-25-2006 19:44
Yeah... I already made a post about this. It's happening to a lot of people and no one has been comming up with a solution for it.  I think it might have to do with the max connections.. but someone suggested it might be because of all the inventory loading since I can get on one alt who has barely any inventory and another alt who has a lot of inventory I have problems with.
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Jitar Bunin
Club 69 Radio
Join date: 10 Nov 2005
Posts: 93
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03-28-2006 00:46
Personally, I think someone at Linden Labs tried to "optomize" the communications routines in the client and missed. The packet loss and disconnects remind me of when I first started playing SL when both my roommate and I were trying to play at the same time....
My impression is someone took out the -port command, probbably accedently bypassed it, or something along those lines.
Whatever happened, whatever was done, the SL client dosent seem to be buffering it's recieved packets and is throwing away a lot of them... I'm pretty certain they reach the SL client though
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Torley Linden
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03-28-2006 00:48
Are you guys noticing any particular problems when opening the Map? Or does it seem not related to it. If you can connect without a router, please do so.
Now, the reason I mention this is because there was a release many moons ago in which opening the Map sent large packets and disconnected me from the Internet while I was on SL. It was fixed, but I unhooked my router from the middle in the meantime.
Anyone else who's having this, please lay all the details down. The more info we have of what you've already tried, the better.
We really want to keep you in Second Life--not out of it.
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Ardentua Nabob
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Join date: 16 Dec 2005
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03-28-2006 01:30
one word....wireless - *booohooo*
It sounds as if the connection is being stressed, and the wireless card is just dropping the signal...
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Dyne Talamasca
Noneuclidean Love Polygon
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 436
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03-28-2006 02:25
From: Torley Linden Are you guys noticing any particular problems when opening the Map? Or does it seem not related to it. If you can connect without a router, please do so.
Now, the reason I mention this is because there was a release many moons ago in which opening the Map sent large packets and disconnected me from the Internet while I was on SL. It was fixed, but I unhooked my router from the middle in the meantime. From: Torley Linden I had a previous problem in SL in which I got disconnected from SL when opening the Map. Turns out the Map was throwing some big packets at my router. I disconnected it and the bug was soon fixed, but cleanest signal path applies. Torley, the bug may have been fixed for you, but it never was for me. Opening the map still does just that, and has done so since shortly after 1.7. If I close the map within a few seconds, the connection recovers (assuming I stop moving until the packet loss and bandwidth usage stabilize), otherwise it dies. I'm not only disconnected from SL, but also from the internet as a whole ... sometimes to the extent that I have to reboot the computer or power cycle the router/modem to get it working again. I have a Belkin router and a D-link cable modem, running Win2K. My machine is not on wireless. I can't do without my router permanently because I'm not the only one using the connection, but I'll attempt to test without it later on. I have noticed this happen (extremely rarely) outside of SL ... SL's map is a pretty reliable means of reproducing it.
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ZATZAi Asturias
Artificial Isle
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 189
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03-28-2006 02:54
Oh! So thats what the tako sailors meant when they said they wont open the map when racing. I thought it just lagged them a bit, but it disconnects you, well that sucks.
Glad I'm directly conencted, for now, but that will change.
I wonder, the people having this problem, do you use Linksys or what, and what model?
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Jitar Bunin
Club 69 Radio
Join date: 10 Nov 2005
Posts: 93
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03-28-2006 04:08
Posted answer to Torley Linden in /111/fb/94757/1.html (Another Disconnects thread in this forum)
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Spoony Spork
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Join date: 24 Feb 2006
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03-28-2006 08:26
Yay! I'm not crazy! I have this problem too!
It doesn't seem to matter where I am or what I'm doing at the time. Sometimes my connection fades out on log-in, sometimes while in the game doing nothing, sometimes while in the game doing lots of things, and sometimes on log-out.
My whole apartment is wireless, so the whole network goes down when it happens, anywhere from a couple minutes to several hours (longest out time was something like 12 hours). We're able to ping each other and the router during this time, just unable to get outside.
First I thought it was my ISP, but it seems to happen when I connect on wireless from anywhere else, too (like, say, the free connections at Panera Bread).
It also seems to happen more often when using the Linux client.
I haven't tried switching to wired and/or taking the router out of the equation, as all of my wired stuff is packed away at my parent's house... maybe I'll go over there at some point and see if I can reproduce it, and then connect directly in with just one wired computer and see what happens...
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Lisbeth Cohen
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Join date: 4 Jul 2004
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03-28-2006 10:53
Dyne's post made me think... Maybe what I have between my adsl router and pc is the cause of my problems? I too have a Belkin, but a switch. Would replacing it with a router solve the problems?
Don't need more guessing - please only advice me if you know for sure. If a router is better than a switch, what do you guys reccomend for sl?
Will try using adsl router directly with sl machine for a while to see if that helps.
EDIT: Never mind. A quick test now (changing group titles, teleporting) proved me wrong. Nothing wrong with the switch - I still crash the same way with direct connection as through the switch.
Lis
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Torley Linden
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03-28-2006 13:19
From: Dyne Talamasca Torley, the bug may have been fixed for you, but it never was for me. Opening the map still does just that, and has done so since shortly after 1.7. If I close the map within a few seconds, the connection recovers (assuming I stop moving until the packet loss and bandwidth usage stabilize), otherwise it dies. Definitely something that should be addressed then--the Map is proving a problematic point. I too was completely disconnected from the Internet (a little yellow bubble appeared in the lower-right corner of my Windows XP telling me I was disconnected from the network). Good to know that this problem is still around, you already sent a bug report too, yes? Everyone who is having this should. 
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Dyne Talamasca
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Join date: 9 Oct 2005
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03-28-2006 14:45
From: Torley Linden Definitely something that should be addressed then--the Map is proving a problematic point. I too was completely disconnected from the Internet (a little yellow bubble appeared in the lower-right corner of my Windows XP telling me I was disconnected from the network). Good to know that this problem is still around, you already sent a bug report too, yes? Everyone who is having this should.  I've sent a couple since 1.7, IIRC. On the other hand, I can't find the auto-replies from those in my inbox. Would explain the lack of progress if the reports didn't go through (likely due to being disconnected from the net and/or forgetting to hit send before rebooting.  ) I sent one in the last month about texturing causing the same problem (and mentioned the mapping bug too), and I know that went through, but then I discovered that the texturing aspect was a known issue. It'll take a bit more work for me to test without the router, due to the way my cable company makes us jump through hoops to change machines hooked up on the line, but I just tried to show someone the problem ... and it worked fine, naturally, for maybe the third time since 1.7. However, shortly after that, I again lost connection. I'll report more as I know of it.
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Jesseaitui Petion
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Join date: 2 Jan 2006
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04-21-2006 03:05
Wow I didn`t know this had so many replies. Glad I decided to check in.
I haven`t noticed any connection to my net going out and opening the map on sl. I`ll pay attention next time I log in.
It seems to be getting worse though. Every few minutes i have to reset my wireless connection on laptop to be able to move around in SL.
I never get disconected from sl, but my wireless will go out and cause me to not be able to move, etc until i reset the wireless and im pretty sure when this happens my avi reads "Away"
It would be nice to be able to play without constantly hitting on and off my wireless on lappy. Kind of getting tired of saying, "Sorry my internet went out again"
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Aleister DaSilva
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Join date: 19 May 2005
Posts: 168
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04-21-2006 05:24
I was running a D-Link wired router and had the issue with the map choking My router. I replaced it with Belkin's Wireless b/g router and network adapters. After this I had constant probs with all the wireless connections suddenly dropping and having to be reset. We traced the issue to my cordless phone which operates in the same frequency spectrum as 802.11 b/g (2.4 ghz). At the suggestion of a techie friend I pointed My browser to 192.168.2.1 which opens the setup for Belkin products. After changing the router channel to 11 we've had no issues whatsoever. Incidentally Bluetooth items use the same frequency spectrum.
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Jesseaitui Petion
king of polynesia :P
Join date: 2 Jan 2006
Posts: 2,175
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04-23-2006 04:24
How do you change the router channel?
My cell doesn`t have blue tooth but i`ll give this a try. I always have my cell right by my lappy
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Alan Edison
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Join date: 28 Jun 2004
Posts: 420
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04-23-2006 11:37
I too have this problem.... Sometimes it just happens when I'm in a busy place in SL (welcome area) but ALWAYS when i rez a large objects (like with more than about 80 prims) my net just shuts off. when i try to recolour or retexture hair or amore than about 20 prims at once, it happens again... It is a ver big PIA for me & I'm sure a lot of other people. 
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Pyrii Akula
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Join date: 25 Nov 2005
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04-23-2006 17:27
SL is CPU intensive, my guess is too intensive for wireless laptops, they can't cope with SL that well. connection can be fine for everything else, but traffic is actually less with SL and it just dies.
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Dianne Mechanique
Back from the Dead
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
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04-23-2006 17:39
From: Pyrii Akula SL is CPU intensive, my guess is too intensive for wireless laptops, they can't cope with SL that well. connection can be fine for everything else, but traffic is actually less with SL and it just dies. I have used a wireless laptop for over six months now with none of this behaviour though. On the other hand I do get the "pulse lag" which is another mysterious problem related to how SL behaves on the network and also involves packet loss.  I see techie people posting things all the time about network stuff that seems to be quite over the developers heads also, and they always seem to be proven right in the end. Maybe they should hire someone at LL with specific experience in dealing with these kinds of issues??? 
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Pyrii Akula
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Join date: 25 Nov 2005
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04-29-2006 05:26
You might have a seperate wireless card, Mobile CPUs with wireless Built-in I have realised are a bad idea for CPU-intensive purposes. Once the CPU is under heavy load it can't do any wireless function effeciantly resulting in packetloss or slow transmissions.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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Join date: 22 Oct 2004
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04-29-2006 07:16
I've had this problem for quite some time. And i don't have wireless. I use a Cable Modem connected to a host PC, that sends internet to a normal router to 2 other computers. All 3 computers tend to have this problem. I never have it happen until i'm in SL. Also sometimes i noticed i disconnect from SL but nothing else. Web browsers all work fine. :/
Sl needs a better client to server connection. You can't even tell your disconnected until you see the mini map has turned red. And thats kind of a last responce thing. Also it would be REALLY nice if there was a reconnect button so i dont have to quite and wait for it to log me out when its obviously not able to. Then i relog and wait for it to detect my hardware and be slow at the login...
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Aleister DaSilva
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Join date: 19 May 2005
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04-29-2006 14:21
From: Jesseaitui Petion How do you change the router channel?
My cell doesn`t have blue tooth but i`ll give this a try. I always have my cell right by my lappy Point your browser to 192.168.2.1, in the sidebar click channel and ssid, you'll get a dropdown to change the channel. Incidentally many cordless phones also work in the 2.4 ghz spectrum.
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Jesseaitui Petion
king of polynesia :P
Join date: 2 Jan 2006
Posts: 2,175
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04-30-2006 04:07
Thanks Al(Dont remember the rest of the spelling) i`ll give that a try.
Coming through to say that i`ve been noticing when myself and 1 avatar are together net goes off and on but not too much. However, with myself and 2 other avatars guarantee my internet will shut off and i have to restart sl 90% of the time.
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Pyrii Akula
NO PANTS!
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
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04-30-2006 16:54
Most gateways are on 192.168.0.1 by defualt, but mine isn't  Yiffy, what's the limti on half-open connections and normal CPU usage on your server/modem machine?
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Jesseaitui Petion
king of polynesia :P
Join date: 2 Jan 2006
Posts: 2,175
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04-30-2006 17:05
I changed my router channel to 11. I found an article and it said its best to change it to 1, 6, or 11, but most electronics are on 6. So I changed to 11.
Played in the preview grid for the first time and didnt get disconnected, but because i never went on preview grid i am not sure if not getting disconnected would of been normal for me there.
I did lag a bunch though due to those flexible prims. when they deleted them i was fine
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