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Island Sim Outrage

Uncle Linden
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12-28-2004 15:09
Hi all,

We do understand the frustrations expressed and we are working to change things:
/3/50/29431/1.html

From: Robin Linden

"Our current thinking is that we are going to map simulators to classes of CPU's so that you never get a machine slower than the original machine deployed when the land was first put online."


What the "get a slower machine" is referring to is the fact that currently we have things optimized for the greatest uptime to ensure that the region always has hardware to run on - rather than leaving it offline the entire time the reason for its crash is investigated and fixed which can take some time if you have to replace failed hardware. The result is that sometimes a region might end up running on lesser hardware if the system it was running on crashed badly. Again, we are working to make sure the region always comes back on same or greater hardware.

From: Cory Linden

"One additional comment on simulator performance is that we will, over time, be shifting the slowest sims to run void spaces, development grids and preview. As I mentioned in the town hall, after we get the code in place to allow us to bin simulator performance, we'll look at moving sims around. As Robin said, this is basically a function of the useful life of a sim, but since we currently somewhat short on sims for preview and other testing/development work, we are likely to accelerate the move for some of them."


Also see discussion in: /130/ca/29461/1.html

I will post more details when I get them.

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Khamon Fate
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12-28-2004 16:44
is uncle another group account that may be any given linden at any given time?

the only details you need to post are:

the pool lists so that we know which pool our sim is in;
the pool specs so that we know what type of hardware our sim is using;
and the proposed schedule for upgrading each pool's machines.

first, someone has to sit down one day and pool the sims, pool the servers, barter an upgrade schedule with the colo(s), type this info into the wiki and post a link on the announcement board.

okay maybe it'll take two days. we can live with that. in fact, for the season, take three. what are we up to now, january 5th?
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blaze Spinnaker
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12-28-2004 16:52
I was talking with someone from EverQuest the other night. She was telling me that their biggest critics are often the ones who utilize their services the most.

I found that interesting, perhaps even ironic.
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Uncle Linden
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12-28-2004 17:00
From: Khamon Fate
is uncle another group account that may be any given linden at any given time?


No.
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12-28-2004 19:58
From: Uncle Linden
No.


thanks
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Higbee Protagonist
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12-29-2004 14:28
I just posted a very long entry to another thread about this same issue. Please see my comments there:

/130/ca/29461/4.html

hehe Uncle Linden :D
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Moleculor Satyr
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12-29-2004 15:02
From: Stroker Serpentine
My point is we DID NOT get servers..we got "pooled" into others. Isnt that fraud? And as far as the mainland, I lived there for a year...it was horrid, my whole reason for buying an island sim. I just want to get what I PAID for.


If you will read the Private Island FAQ, you will see that you were NEVER promised your own server. That is something people have ASSUMED would happen, and is merely rumor. The "startup cost" IS for buying more hardware, but you're not guaranteed to be the exclusive user of that hardware.

There is no factual basis to back the concept of your island being on it's own personal box. I'll pay L$5 to the first person who can find me an official link that says an island gets it's own server. Official meaning "By A Linden" of course.

From: Stroker Serpentine
I will reiterate..my island sim with NOTHING on it...no listeners..no timers..no textures..NOTHING, was never above 2900..neither was Shokra's or Shari's. If these are "newer" servers then why is the the fps in the toilet out of the box??


2900 is not "in the toilet". Do you know what the difference between a sim with 2900 and 5800 is? It's EXACTLY the same difference between 100 and 200. EXACTLY the same. And 2900 just means "Hi! I'm a simulator that's just wasting cycles of CPU time just sitting here twiddling my thumbs! I've got nothing to do! I'm so frelling bored! Kill me!"

And ya know what? Anything over 100 in a full sim (i.e. 15 users) is extra fluff. So basically, as long as your sim is near/around 600 or so when it's mostly empty, you're doing just fine.
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12-30-2004 09:31
FlipperPA Peregrine
From: someone
I don't ever expect LL to have the same exact servers for everyone, but some of the oldest sims just do not cut the mustard in a 1.5/1.6 world.


eltee Statosky
From: someone
They should jus be expunged from the game, but then who wants to take a $80,000 unexpected loss at the end of the year? its hard to present that to investors.


(Still unemployed but at least I learned something in school...)

Ok so the solution here is depreciation. I don't have a clue how LL's accounting works, but most businesses depreciate computers over a period of 3 - 5 years. This is basically a way of telling the IRS that every year you lose value because your equipment gets older, and showing stock holders that you didn't just suddenly lose $10,000 but have rather a natural and expected expense of $2000 every year because of equipment aging.

AND to accommodate users who want what they pay for simply charge accordingly. Have 5 different Island sim options. People who pay for the best option always have their island on a yearling or younger server, and those who pay for option 5 always have their sim on a 5 year old server. They pay accordingly and that's that.

This way even as Second Life becomes more and more demanding, people can be satisfied in knowing they are getting the best possible performance that they can afford.

Ahh -- I see that they are already planning on it. Great. so there you go.
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Khamon Fate
From: someone
we'd practically own a sim, other than the sacred corner and a small patch of governor land. we'd be on the mainland bordering clementina and a nice inland sea. but we'd be stuck with a forty meter landscaping limit, those old original ground textures, the name, the rating, and no way for people to teleport directly there. it makes buying an island look pretty good by comparison. at least it did.


Yes, the fantastic and well respected Hank Ramos shares this sentiment. Please think about what you are saying though. You both are basically saying that island sims are a better deal, but still you bought mainland areas instead. With all due respect, that is your own fault. Island sims were created for people like you, it's much more effecient if you need that much land. If you still chose to buy property on the mainland then that means there is something else in it for you. Perhaps you get more traffic that way, I don't know. But the fact that you both made the choise that you made does not belittle the concerns of Island sim owners. They did indeed sign up for a beter deal, and they should get one.


feniks Stone
From: someone
And as for what is on the sim previous to the event, well SL is major eye candy, thats its first draw for many, so sims need to be able to support that too.


From: someone
..but building efficiently is a learned talent, mostly by trial and error.

LL should compile an efficient building manual and hand it out with every land purchase.


FS - Yes, but there is no excuse for not building efficiently. If you want your sim to perform well then you need to invest the time into learning the skill of efficient scripting and building, or hire someone who can build for you. LL has adopted the Wiki created by Catherine Omega (A great idea if I do say so myself) ;) and it is damn good at pointing out what causes lag in scripts and tips on efficiency.

If you can not afford to invest time into learning to build and script better, nor pay someone to, then your sim will not perform optimally and you need to take this into consideration when you sign up for dedicated service.


Stroker Serpentine
From: someone
I will reiterate..my island sim with NOTHING on it...no listeners..no timers..no textures..NOTHING, was never above 2900..neither was Shokra's or Shari's. If these are "newer" servers then why is the the fps in the toilet out of the box??


Ok Stroker, your concern is very valid. Thank you for bringing this up as I am studying the feasibility of leasing dedicated service for myself. As I am poor in both real and second life, I can't afford to make a mistake.

I think the point that some people are trying to make to you is that LL never guaranteed a specific frame rate. It sounds like they strive to make sure each sim has a decent average frame rate over some acceptable minimum, but they never said that "everyone will have 3000 or 4000 fps". Those who got lucky and receive 4000fps, are just lucky. Maybe LL found it unnecessary to buy that kind of sever, or for whatever reason just don't currently offer that kind of FPS, so those who have it should just be greatful and the rest of us need to build more wisely.

I certainly understand wanting the best, but until LL starts offering a specific FPS we shouldn't feel cheated about something we weren't promised.
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