You have so SCREWED Second Life!!!!!

I cannot TP.

My Inventory Wont Load.

Textures are all grey.

I most of the time cant see myself!!!

I have been here a Year and a HALF...

I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars with you.

You are INCOMPETENT.

You are FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But the drama makes it oh-so-better

Pokes Zap..

this so sucks!!

Huggz

Lol

It'll get better.. Theres an update on Wednesday.. SLs coping pretty well when you look at the growth spurt its had the last few weeks..

Did you try rebooting your computer?


JK

Wow, you're over qualified to work at the Microsoft tech support centers. >D

Sounds to me like it's just lag. I'd suggest you stop downloading porn in the background. If it's not porn, then stop pirating software, music, or what have you. And if it's none of those, check to make sure you're not suffering from malware of some kind. Recent malicious programs have been resetting window sizes and buffer settings in the windows registry to slow down connections. If all of that's not the answer, bug your ISP and tell them to lay off the porn. ^.^

but, but, but...

THE INTERNET IS FOR PORN!!

AND pie..

The internet: It's not just for porn anymore!

I think the popular thing now adays is downloading fansubbed anime, but I've met my fair share of porn lovers in college. Some who blatantly watched it on the overhead projector while most of the class was gone and the teacher had left after classes. >.>;
Honestly, I blamed most of the network congestion at my college on porn. And I was probably right.

so.... you're leaving?

Typically with these sorts of "I've spent a gazillion dollars on SL and its working like crap" the problem usually lies in the fact they didn't divert any of that money into making sure their computer was working correctly and with modern hardware. I have been here a year and a half and SL is working the best it ever has since I started.

My inventory loads instantly and has that new search and multiselect function.

Textures sometimes take a few seconds to load, but that has always been the case except it is grey now instead of invisable so you don't run into stuff that the textures have yet to download.

I have rarely had a problem with my avatar showing up, I can't remember the last time that happened in fact.

Been here 1 1/2 years myself and in that time I have upgraded my computer and video card several times so that now I get 10 fps in a sim with 40 avatars in it and smooth graphics. I could have turned my graphics down and got 15-20 but the sim was only updating the avatar once or twice a second so I wouldn't have seen much difference.

I have spent less than a couple hundred total but made over $1500 in real money. I haven't invested a great deal on money in the game itself because SL is still kinda buggy plus I don't really have a business plan that requires more investment. Instead I bought a rocking computer.

Second Life and Linden Labs are doing ok in my book, they update and fix constantly and my game experience gets better as time goes on mostly. Its not perfect but then nothing is.

LL can't control the conditions of the internet once the wires leave the building. Your symptoms sound like network problems or a way underpowered video card, maybe both. If SL is working well for me then odds are there is something wrong on your end.

Are you Lee Linden or something Kat? Every single time someone posts about SL not working well for them you go on a rant about how their pc prolly sucks.

Except as I've said before, your assumptions in my case are plain wrong. But then so are all of Lee's.

You know what? Sometimes, just sometimes, other users have decent computers AND know what they're doing with them! And SL still sucks!

And perhaps Lee and I are right? I mean, it stands to reason that if it works for one computer and doesn't work for another and its the same exact program then there is something not correct with one of the computers. Logically, LL has dozens if not more computers running SL and testing it at the co-location and at the office and it would stand to reason that if SL were showing the symptoms described they certainly would be doing their up most to fix it. So, if the instances of SL there are working ok and a great number of other people's computers are working ok and my 4 very different computers aren't having these problems then one has to assume 1. the computers that aren't having a problem are screwed up in a special way that allows them to work 2. the computers that are having a problem with SL are not right. It may be something they can't fix like their internet connection or something that is true. My money is on #2 though.

For example spending an hour Sunday explaining to a friend of a friend in the game that although that new Dell computer they just bought has a fast duel processor and is plenty fast to run SL, the Nvidia 5500 PCI (not PCI-e) card they stuck in was the reason their computer was experiencing slow frame rates and I spent a long time explaining that no, their computer did not have 3 AGP slots but I suspect they didn't believe me. Yup, #2.

I truly admit there are instances where fate has decreed that a perfectly set up computer on a pristine internet connection with a properly configured modem may still have problems with SL but for the most part, the vast majority of people having these sorts of problems have something wrong with their computer, internet connection or modem. Telling them there are voodoo ghosts dancing on their Northbridge chip and unicorns in their L2 Cache so they might as well pack it up isn't truthful nor helpful.

My saying what I do might change their attitude enough to investigate whether I am on to something or not. Me patting their hand and going "mean ol' Linden Labs" accomplishes nothing.

Also, it's not about you. I wasn't thinking of you nor was this directed at you. I don't think of you at all until you take umbrage at some post of mine refuting the claim that SL is borked beyond usefulness for everyone and we should all take up pitchforks and torches and storm Linden Labs. I'm all for burning the castle if they deserve it but I suggest looking into your house first and making sure its in order before lighting the torches. I guarantee if you send me your computer I can set it up to run just as well as mine or even better. Might cost a couple grand but hey, its your money. Logic dictates(barring shipping damage) that when I send it back it will run just as well there as it did here. If it doesn't then guess what, it ain't the computer or SL.

Ok. I have a P4, which runs at 2.6 Ghz, and has 1Gb RAM. I have a 6800GT card with 256 Mb of RAM. I have a 180Gb 7200 HD with over half the drive free. My connection is 1 Mbps, and normally I will get something like 960-980 Mbps actual speed.

These specs are not bad, although some could be improved. But when I go into second life, if I go into an unfamiliar place it can take five to ten minutes before all the textures are rezzed, and I still cannot use local lighting in most places. At best - 760m in the sky in a lag-free sim, I will get 25 fps. But in most places, with my draw distance set at 128m, shadows off, local lighting off, anti-aliasing off, water ripple on, I will be generally getting around 5 fps.

If you know that it's my computer to blame, presumably you will know how I can adjust my settings to improve my performance.

and perhaps you're both just equally arrogant.



Yeah right. Cuz that's exactly what I said. So as you know, I don't think of you either til you get under my skin with another of your 'it must be your pc because it works for me' type trips.



And I guarantee that you can't guarantee that. Since you don't know what the spec of my various pc's are or what or how they're set up to know if there is anything you can do to them. All you really have is your assumption that you're vastly superior to me and everyone else in this field.

But since you evidently are such an expert, perhaps you can tell me - if I can run one or more SL accounts just fine on multiple pc's, but not my main account which exhibits the same repeatable bugs and behaviours on all pc's, which part of those pc's setup should I be looking to tweak?

There are countless reasons why your machine may be having problems. I have a 2500+AMD and a 6600 GT that gets 20-30 fps in a moderate sim. Since I can't look at the machine I can't possible tell you what is wrong or if there is anything wrong with it. I have a P4 2.6 and it can't even keep up with my 1800+ AMD so it may be the processor, the memory, the motherboard, out of date bios, out of date motherboard drivers, man the possibilities are endless. Some motherboards and their Intel or SiS chipsets are pretty weak and also your board might be AGP2 not AGP3 and your 6800 may be hobbled badly.

What I can tell you is I have a similar system and it works pretty well so it likely isn't SL if it is running on a 2500+ AMD with 1 gig ram and a 6600 GT. Also keep in mind it has always taken a while to load textures, they just used to be invisible or the avatar would be blurry, some times for hours at a time. I pop into an unfamilier sim and it may take 30 seconds for all the textures to appear, usually less. I did notice that in a sim with 35+ avatars that some hoochie hair would go grey then come back but considering I could still move it was a small price to pay.

Nope, I can guarantee for an absolute fact that once it left here it would work just as well as my machine. Period. I may have to pull everything out of the case and put in new components but what the heck, it will work just as well or better than mine.



Sounds to me like there is nothing wrong with SL then if it works "just fine on multiple PCs". What's your beef? SL on a whole isn't screwed up and if it works with other accounts just fine then SL is likely "just fine" for most other people. The problem is you have a messed up account, by your own admission, just one. Most people, if LL couldn't fix the problem (and they may not be able to without wiping the account and starting over), would just move the main account to another one that did work and go on about their lives. Not enough drama in that I guess. The OP may very well have a buggy account but odds are very good there is something else wrong and they aught to check the other possibilities first before blaming everything on SL and burning down Linden Labs. You identified your problem as being a buggy account after verifying there was nothing wrong with your computers, that's exactly my advice.

It may sound like arrogance to you but I am not doing so on purpose, I am stating common sense the way I see it. I may not give out the best advice in the world but ya know, at least I am trying to help.

You have the same problem as me. We have crud internet connection speed and thats what i'm figuring is making textures take so long do download. I tried my PC on a 8mb connection and had super fast texture rezzing. That kinda confirmed it for me lol

-LW

I see a few possible flaws in this reasoning. The first is that LL is known to have few testers and little automated testing capability; given that, having a large array of heterogenous systems would be unlikely as without someone or something to drive them, they'd be space heaters. Furthermore, dozens of computers would hardly be representative of the configurations that SL is intended to support.

There is an alternative explanation that you don't enumerate: SL is strongly dependent upon unknown and perhaps unknowable (without an oscilliscope/logic analyzer) features of the client machine. Given the distribution of reports of wretched client failure, I expect this is the most likely explanation.

I still run into stuff that hasn't rezzed at all until I'm halfway through it, but I never had a problem with running into smoke-textured prims in the past... except around telehubs. Now we don't have telehubs, this should be reconsidered.

I think they should at least smoke-texture phantom prims, particles, and attachments... since you can't run into any of them.

I only hope you are not like this in real life or I sure feel sorry for those around you!

Then again I need to listen to what my mother told me over 50 years ago....If you can't say anything good about someone, don't say nothing at all....

Last comment for you period.

This actually seems to be the case with computer gaming in general, and a reason why it's never caught on like console gaming. Any given game is going to be running on a staggering array of hardware, and on any given system any given thing can drag the whole down.

That, and computer "science" is still more computer "art", in the real world.

My old computer should have been able to handle Second Life. It even met the "System Recommendations". In fact, I even thought it ran fine! Imagine my surprise when the new computer my family gave me for Christmas blew my old performance out of the water.

Computer upgrades certainly aren't the answer all of the time, and I certainly don't advocate getting an entirely new machine to benefit only Second Life... but OMFGWTFBBQ!!!! I can walk now! No visual chop! I experienced an entire first week of euphoria simply from "OH MY GOD, THAT WASN'T MY INTERNET CONNECTION!"

Note: Yes I've still got the obvious "textures not loading", "prims taking a long time to load", "skins perpetually messed up", "clothing not rezing fully until removed and put back on", and many more painful bits, but I can turn my view right and left and just that is so so so much smoother now. It's amazing how tolerant that's made me. How long will it last before I'm annoyed again? No clue.

I sped up my system a lot by uninstalling the McAfee firewall and using the XP firewall.