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Keiki Lemieux

I make HUDDLES

Join date: 8 Jul 2005

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12-12-2005 08:40

Logged on to take a look at the preview, and my FPS was extremely low. I checked all my settings and poked around debug. Every other measure I could find looked good/normal, but my FPS was between 0.7 and 2.5 or so. I logged out, went back to the main grid and my frame rate was back to normal (15-25fps). Any idea what this might be? Is this a bad omen for tomorrow?

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Doc Nielsen

Fallen...

Join date: 13 Apr 2005

Posts: 1,059

12-12-2005 10:25

Hmmm, I just dived back in, heart pounding, in case...

For my setup 1.8 is pretty much as it was before. Similar fps to main grid 1.7.
Which is worrying, as it's on that tiny uninhabited grid at present.
Last time 1.7P was actually faster than 1.6 - until it got on the main grid when, amongst other issues, it virtually developed negative fps.

Oh well, I suppose we'll know tomorrow...

Meantime, dunno why you are getting the hit you report, as I say, I'm getting the same as on 1.8P announced day.

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Karen Linden

Dev. Program Manager

Join date: 25 Jul 2005

Posts: 396

Do you have ripple water turned on?

12-12-2005 11:20

Ripple Water seriously lowers FPS. For that reason, it is off by default. Can you please verify that you are not using ripple water?

Keiki Lemieux

I make HUDDLES

Join date: 8 Jul 2005

Posts: 1,490

12-12-2005 11:50

From: Karen Linden

Ripple Water seriously lowers FPS. For that reason, it is off by default. Can you please verify that you are not using ripple water?

Ripple water is off.

All options except full terrain detail is off under graphics.

Here is a screen shot of my troubles. Going to play around with debug menu to see if I find a way to get a better FPS.

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Keiki Lemieux

I make HUDDLES

Join date: 8 Jul 2005

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12-12-2005 11:55

I turned off everything under Debug > Rendering > Types... everything. I'm looking at a black screen and getting 2.7 FPS.

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Keiki Lemieux

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12-12-2005 14:02

Any more ideas on this Karen? Or is tonight my last night in SL?

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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12-12-2005 14:29

What is the make and model of the video card and general system specs?

Have you updated your drivers lately, which drivers are you using?

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Keiki Lemieux

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12-12-2005 14:39

Radeon Mobility 9000 card... up to date drivers
1.5 gb RAM.

And like I said 15-25fps in 1.7 on the main grid.

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Eata Kitty

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Join date: 21 Jan 2005

Posts: 387

12-12-2005 14:55

Take a pic of the frame console, its usually handy for weird slowdown.

Keiki Lemieux

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Join date: 8 Jul 2005

Posts: 1,490

12-13-2005 00:52

Double checked video driver and updated it. Same problem in 1.8. Performance in 1.7 is fine, and I'm getting 2fps in 1.8. Do I have to wait until this is live to get customer support on this?

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BloodDoll Lulu

FIX Inventory Issues 1st

Join date: 9 Jul 2005

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12-13-2005 04:50

If it helps any, I logged into the preview too - same issue. I run dual nvidia 7800s, 3.8, 4 gigs of ram. I won't get into technical talk but I work on games for a living, way higher end (next gen)than SL, and everything is lightning fast (I also play them) In this preivew I had poor framerates. Maybe some optimization on their end.

Keiki Lemieux

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12-13-2005 08:49

I had one other friend who reported the same problem. I really hope this isn't widespread.

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Nathan Stewart

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12-13-2005 09:03

From: Keiki Lemieux

I had one other friend who reported the same problem. I really hope this isn't widespread.

keiki could you take a grab of the frame console, also what version of the catalysts are you using, also have you tried the drivers from www.omegadrivers.net they are usually very much upto date ati drivers which can be used on most laptops

In about secondlife
OpenGL version should be 2.0.5469 WinXP release (for ati cards)

or 2.0.1 for nvidia cards using the latest 81.95 drivers

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Keiki Lemieux

I make HUDDLES

Join date: 8 Jul 2005

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12-13-2005 09:08

I pulled the most up to date drivers, directly from Dell (release date 12/5/05). One really important thing here is that I turned off ALL rendering and had the same frame rate. I don't think this has much to do with 3D rendering.

Now, is the console, shift-cntl-2 in the debug menu? I got nothing but red lines across my screen.

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Keiki Lemieux

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12-13-2005 09:13

From: Nathan Stewart

In about secondlife
OpenGL version should be 2.0.5469 WinXP release (for ati cards)

or 2.0.1 for nvidia cards using the latest 81.95 drivers

Where do I check my version of OpenGL? And where can get updated drivers for it if needed?

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Nathan Stewart

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Join date: 2 Feb 2005

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12-13-2005 09:14

From: Keiki Lemieux

I pulled the most up to date drivers, directly from Dell (release date 12/5/05). One really important thing here is that I turned off ALL rendering and had the same frame rate. I don't think this has much to do with 3D rendering.

Now, is the console, shift-cntl-2 in the debug menu? I got nothing but red lines across my screen.

Manufacturers may not be uptodate especially on older laptops, but as far as the red lines, if you press ctrl-shift-9 do you see a blue bars, and a high reserve number?

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Nathan Stewart

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12-13-2005 09:17

From: Keiki Lemieux

Where do I check my version of OpenGL? And where can get updated drivers for it if needed?

Click help > about second life and for laptops i recommend www.omegadrivers.net as ati dont support laptops directly

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Keiki Lemieux

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12-13-2005 12:40

I am getting 1.0 fps. Downloading the Omega Drivers.

Here is what I see when I press CNTL_SHFT-9:

By the way, Nathan, thank you so much for offering some help. I really appreciate it.

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Keiki Lemieux

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12-13-2005 12:58

Omega drivers are not helping.

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Nathan Stewart

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12-13-2005 13:03

From: Keiki Lemieux

Omega drivers are not helping.

Mmm from the timers seems to me more on the network side, message transfers etc

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Keiki Lemieux

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12-13-2005 14:24

Again I turned off all rending types under debug. FPS under 2.0.

If any Lindens see this, can you make sure that the developers see this? I feel strongly that this is a new bug.

I have filed bug reports and a support request as well.

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Kazuo Murakami

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Join date: 31 Aug 2005

Posts: 359

12-13-2005 15:08

Thats pretty sad that Karen Linden has not had a single word to say since you said you are not using ripple water.

Keiki Lemieux

I make HUDDLES

Join date: 8 Jul 2005

Posts: 1,490

12-13-2005 15:18

Support's answer was Firewall. It's not the firewall.

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Kazuo Murakami

Sofa King

Join date: 31 Aug 2005

Posts: 359

12-13-2005 15:43

From: Keiki Lemieux

Support's answer was Firewall. It's not the firewall.

I really wish I could say I'm surprised.

Next it'll be "must be user content."

Eata Kitty

Registered User

Join date: 21 Jan 2005

Posts: 387

12-13-2005 18:01

Well I agree with Nathan it definately looks like something related to networking which causes the slowdown but unfortunately the WHY is going to be a big mystery.

Things to experiment with:
Messing with the ingame bandwidth setting.
Updating motherboard firmware and/or network card drivers.

Extremely low FPS in 1.8?
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-12-2005 08:40 Logged on to take a look at the preview, and my FPS was extremely low. I checked all my settings and poked around debug. Every other measure I could find looked good/normal, but my FPS was between 0.7 and 2.5 or so. I logged out, went back to the main grid and my frame rate was back to normal (15-25fps). Any idea what this might be? Is this a bad omen for tomorrow? _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Doc Nielsen Fallen... Join date: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 1,059	12-12-2005 10:25 Hmmm, I just dived back in, heart pounding, in case... For my setup 1.8 is pretty much as it was before. Similar fps to main grid 1.7. Which is worrying, as it's on that tiny uninhabited grid at present. Last time 1.7P was actually faster than 1.6 - until it got on the main grid when, amongst other issues, it virtually developed negative fps. Oh well, I suppose we'll know tomorrow... Meantime, dunno why you are getting the hit you report, as I say, I'm getting the same as on 1.8P announced day. _____________________ All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
Karen Linden Dev. Program Manager Join date: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 396	Do you have ripple water turned on? 12-12-2005 11:20 Ripple Water seriously lowers FPS. For that reason, it is off by default. Can you please verify that you are not using ripple water?
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-12-2005 11:50 From: Karen Linden Ripple Water seriously lowers FPS. For that reason, it is off by default. Can you please verify that you are not using ripple water? Ripple water is off. All options except full terrain detail is off under graphics. Here is a screen shot of my troubles. Going to play around with debug menu to see if I find a way to get a better FPS. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-12-2005 11:55 I turned off everything under Debug > Rendering > Types... everything. I'm looking at a black screen and getting 2.7 FPS. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-12-2005 14:02 Any more ideas on this Karen? Or is tonight my last night in SL? _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	12-12-2005 14:29 What is the make and model of the video card and general system specs? Have you updated your drivers lately, which drivers are you using? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-12-2005 14:39 Radeon Mobility 9000 card... up to date drivers 1.5 gb RAM. And like I said 15-25fps in 1.7 on the main grid. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Eata Kitty Registered User Join date: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 387	12-12-2005 14:55 Take a pic of the frame console, its usually handy for weird slowdown.
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-13-2005 00:52 Double checked video driver and updated it. Same problem in 1.8. Performance in 1.7 is fine, and I'm getting 2fps in 1.8. Do I have to wait until this is live to get customer support on this? _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
BloodDoll Lulu FIX Inventory Issues 1st Join date: 9 Jul 2005 Posts: 152	12-13-2005 04:50 If it helps any, I logged into the preview too - same issue. I run dual nvidia 7800s, 3.8, 4 gigs of ram. I won't get into technical talk but I work on games for a living, way higher end (next gen)than SL, and everything is lightning fast (I also play them) In this preivew I had poor framerates. Maybe some optimization on their end.
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-13-2005 08:49 I had one other friend who reported the same problem. I really hope this isn't widespread. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Nathan Stewart Registered User Join date: 2 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	12-13-2005 09:03 From: Keiki Lemieux I had one other friend who reported the same problem. I really hope this isn't widespread. keiki could you take a grab of the frame console, also what version of the catalysts are you using, also have you tried the drivers from www.omegadrivers.net they are usually very much upto date ati drivers which can be used on most laptops In about secondlife OpenGL version should be 2.0.5469 WinXP release (for ati cards) or 2.0.1 for nvidia cards using the latest 81.95 drivers _____________________
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-13-2005 09:08 I pulled the most up to date drivers, directly from Dell (release date 12/5/05). One really important thing here is that I turned off ALL rendering and had the same frame rate. I don't think this has much to do with 3D rendering. Now, is the console, shift-cntl-2 in the debug menu? I got nothing but red lines across my screen. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-13-2005 09:13 From: Nathan Stewart In about secondlife OpenGL version should be 2.0.5469 WinXP release (for ati cards) or 2.0.1 for nvidia cards using the latest 81.95 drivers Where do I check my version of OpenGL? And where can get updated drivers for it if needed? _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Nathan Stewart Registered User Join date: 2 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	12-13-2005 09:14 From: Keiki Lemieux I pulled the most up to date drivers, directly from Dell (release date 12/5/05). One really important thing here is that I turned off ALL rendering and had the same frame rate. I don't think this has much to do with 3D rendering. Now, is the console, shift-cntl-2 in the debug menu? I got nothing but red lines across my screen. Manufacturers may not be uptodate especially on older laptops, but as far as the red lines, if you press ctrl-shift-9 do you see a blue bars, and a high reserve number? _____________________
Nathan Stewart Registered User Join date: 2 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	12-13-2005 09:17 From: Keiki Lemieux Where do I check my version of OpenGL? And where can get updated drivers for it if needed? Click help > about second life and for laptops i recommend www.omegadrivers.net as ati dont support laptops directly _____________________
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-13-2005 12:40 I am getting 1.0 fps. Downloading the Omega Drivers. Here is what I see when I press CNTL_SHFT-9: By the way, Nathan, thank you so much for offering some help. I really appreciate it. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-13-2005 12:58 Omega drivers are not helping. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Nathan Stewart Registered User Join date: 2 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	12-13-2005 13:03 From: Keiki Lemieux Omega drivers are not helping. Mmm from the timers seems to me more on the network side, message transfers etc _____________________
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-13-2005 14:24 Again I turned off all rending types under debug. FPS under 2.0. If any Lindens see this, can you make sure that the developers see this? I feel strongly that this is a new bug. I have filed bug reports and a support request as well. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Kazuo Murakami Sofa King Join date: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 359	12-13-2005 15:08 Thats pretty sad that Karen Linden has not had a single word to say since you said you are not using ripple water.
Keiki Lemieux I make HUDDLES Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,490	12-13-2005 15:18 Support's answer was Firewall. It's not the firewall. _____________________ imakehuddles.com/wordpress/
Kazuo Murakami Sofa King Join date: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 359	12-13-2005 15:43 From: Keiki Lemieux Support's answer was Firewall. It's not the firewall. I really wish I could say I'm surprised. Next it'll be "must be user content."
Eata Kitty Registered User Join date: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 387	12-13-2005 18:01 Well I agree with Nathan it definately looks like something related to networking which causes the slowdown but unfortunately the WHY is going to be a big mystery. Things to experiment with: Messing with the ingame bandwidth setting. Updating motherboard firmware and/or network card drivers.

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