How do YOU handle griefers (POLL)

No. No it's not. Just grow up won't you ? AR, eject, ban, teleport home. These are the tools we have. Option c simply perpetuates the notion that residents have the right to do what they like beyond the TOS, and more often than not, that the use of SL's laughable weapons outside of combat sims on other residents is acceptable. It's not, no matter what they're doing.

Keep your role playing to the combat sims. Please.

Yes, those tools work, for landowners, some of the time.

The vast majority of people with SL accounts aren't landowners, so all they're left with is the AR, which by most accounts is not especially effective.

At the end of the day, we're left with the same issue, and the same open-ended debate, with no practical resolution that works for everybody. The terms of service essentially prohibit any but the most ineffectual actions possible. An amazing amount of forum rhetoric centers around this one single issue, and it's something many hope the Lindens will find a way to deal with in an effective manner.

I certainly hope so, because frankly I'm tired of being shot at, caged or orbitting while minding my own business building in public sandboxes. And I know others are too.

I handle griefers with kid gloves. After all, they are mostly minors.

And now that there's no way to verify somebody's age when they sign up, we're going to be seeing much more of it. All they need is to find some free weapons, and off they go, finding the big clusters of green dots on the map, and happily plink away.

The probelm with public naming is unless LL is the ones that name from their AR's, anybody with a grudge can name names!

And this is why LL defends everyone's right to privacy as a case in point. Unfortunately, while I agree with this, I also agree with the previous post. The only thing that really works is peer pressure, and that's hard to do under the ToS.

I do agree with the statement too. The thing is there is groups that are formed to notify memebers of griefer, and trust me its easy to get on the list (just call one of the security people a hooch and see what happens). I agree there need to be a better system to deal with the griefers. As for tools IMO, it s seems LL looks at the various shields, and weapons as tools to deal with the griefer/annoyin lil bastards! As for getting AR'd back as stated in previous posts contact a Linden with the AR # and tell them you retaliated. I have done this in the past and most of the time ya the Lindens yell at ya for a minute but I'm sure they are thinking hehe the griefer got owned! Also most of the griefers arnt going to report you for retaliation in fear that you have allready reported them for attackin you first!

I work as a security person for a club and deal with griefers and obnoxious people all the time. I dont get woked up and ban peoplefor calling me names I join in and make sure they know I dont care what you say to me. Now if they are harrassing the people I am there to protect thats a different story, but I need proof before I tp them home and add them to the security orb and notify the owner so she can Land ban them. I am a easy going person, getting griefed only bothers me when it affects the people I am with or the club I work at.

And there's what I was saying earlier - people need help keeping the peace sometimes. If you're running a business, you can't spend your entire time kicking griefers, because you'll get nothing else done.

This is why security guards are hired, and why there are various kinds of security agencies in SL. They're usually not just marauding bands, but instead invited peacekeepers.

It's not role-playing, it's performing a needed service in the virtual society.

Heyas,
Why wasn't 'Schwanson Schlegal' an option on this poll? *Silent Wolf Laughter* The one time I had any halfway serious Griefing going on at my home, he promptly came by, made good use of a freight train and a semi and the issue was resolved. Its all in a days work for this 'equalizer', folks.
Painless Kawabata ... known in other worlds as Painless Black Wolf

Sitting on a prim is useless against most push weapons. Sitting on the ground is even worse because while your av will (usually) remain in the same spot, your name, chat focus, and camera position will not (and standing up blips your av to where your camera is).

LL just needs to implement a complete no-push option (at least in non-combat areas).

Well, up until now, my response has been varied... usually dependant on my mood. Freeze/Eject/Ban, AR, Call a Linden over personally... sometimes take more extreme measures...

But someone mentioned making a book ... well, it's an idea... especially for the naked money-demanders... take photos, record the chat, blog it... maybe slightly edited for humour. Looks like a plan.

ARs have been no deterrent for any behavior at any point since late 2003 to present (if they ever were). I don't see any reason that such is likely to change.

My best strategy has always been to sit (to avoid being orbited) and act as if the griefer isn't even there. It's been 100% effective for me and my associates.

LL cannot distinguish between failure to report resulting from ineffective enforcement and lack of incidents. Real life police also have this problem where the least effective departments frequently do get few reports. Moreover RL police believe it is their job to police, LL has explicitly disclaimed that responsibility multiple times.

I beg to differ jump on a prim and your not going anywhere period!!!!! Its a SL rule you cant unsit somebody with any type of push, unless your a land owner then you can return the prim! I will be happy to demonstrate for you on my own avi of course, haha I have a push script that will push me even as the owner, so look me up in world!

Freeze and drop a script that auto freezes them if they ever get on my land again, that way they *have* to relog at home, I had one that couldn't figure out that he could change the option to relog at home, he kept logging back in and getting frozen again, that will teach him to use nukes on me >.>

Nice ad for your vigilante outfit Kalel...

Oh, and you can't get into trouble for a), even if you blow away a member of 'Justie League Unlimited' - PROVIDED you are on damage enabled land.

Thoughtfull of you to try and frighten a few innocents into using your 'services' by misinformation though!

Kalel - if you look at the begining of the thread you'll see the poll was...

'Faced with destructive/disruptive actions by aggressive strangers on your land/sim, what do YOU do?'

People who don't own land don't enter into this. People who rent land don't either.

This is solely about how Land/Sim owners deal with griefers - we aren't interested in swearing naked dick-heads in PG sims - unless we happen to own the land.

The issue here really is that the land tools are rubbish. ARs are rubbish. Live help is useless. Calling a Linden is a waste of time - so what do you do. We are comparing notes, not looking for vigilante groups. Not debating how to protect the landless.

You have issues in public sandboxes? Take it up with LL - and LOTS of luck!

The real answer is of course, to use a pole. A long pole, sharpened at one end, inserted rectally into the griefer and placed vertically on your land as a warning.

I don't know how an "adult" toy could help here...

Funny you should suggest that - I'd been thinking along similar lines myself
Who needs trees? How about a grove of impaled griefers?

The Cornfield II - Griefers' Grove ... where convicted griefers must spend their sentence on-line and impaled for all of SL to see.

Quite.

And I'll say the same thing everytime one of you comes here seeking to legitimize your police/vigilante/security outfit. Run along to a designated combat sim where you can act out your fantasies with other like minded individuals.

That's an interesting point, and probably true.

Regarding misinformation, though, I see nothing in my posts that haven't been clearly and frequently corroborated by the statements of others, or by the Lindens themselves in the ToS.

On a side note, I was simply engaging in the debate. Nobody would have known that I was even in a group until you brought it up. If I'd wanted to advertise that I was in a group that did offer 'services', I would have gone to the advertising section and posted there.

No, there's no 'probably' about it. ANYONE who owns land can switch it to damage and kill ANY AV that sets foot on it and there is no TOS violation involved.
If there were I'd have been banned long ago for the sheer number of griefers I've toasted that way.



The bit in a) about risking being reported or banned was pure misinformation Kalel - if you didn't know any better you shouldn't have said it.
My view is that you knew very well but it suited your wannabe cop games to spread misinformation.




The entire tenor of your post made it abundantly clear to me that you were running a wannabe cop/vigilante group Kalel - I've seen enough of them to spot them a mile off - why do you think I bothered to check your profile inworld?

They won't though, because in the combat sims it's kill or be killed - not time for posturing and posing.

Not to mention that you can't pull the 'donate L$1000 a week to our group and we'll protect you from griefers' scam in the combat sims

Step 1: Freeze

Step 2: Fire AV following smoke emitter, leave the general area.

Step 3: With luck, griefer has logged out or crashed by this point

Step 4: ??????

Step 5: PROFIT! + add name to ban list.