How do YOU handle griefers (POLL)

I hang out where griefers get banned within 5 minutes.

LL is ignoring this yet people still kiss there butts, it boogles.

1) I ask them to stop IF they are only a minor annoyance. popguns, running around like and idiot, etc.

2) If they persist, or are using things like orbiters then I file an AR, call for Live Help and if none is availible, or no answer;
A) On my land. Freeze, TP-Home/LandBan.
B) Off my land. Go Non-Phys, TP away if needed depending on degree of griefer ability and wether landowner is available to handle the problem.
C) Off my land and affecting a number of other people besides myself; Send multiple Live Help IMs until a Linden IS dispatched. I realise this may be rude to LH and I do appollogise for using LH in this mannor, but it is our only offical means of recourse in-world. We don't have a police department to call. Personally, I usually have very good response from LH. As long as there isn't a grid-wide attack going on, in which case the point is fairly moot.


Saying there's no griefing, however, or that there is "no significant increase in griefing" is -CENSORED-. One look at the forums will show that there has been a great increase as of late. Reguardless what the numbers say on paper.

IMO People should be able to decide if they wish to be able to be pushed or orbited (land/sim owners being able to set land otherwise with notices given as per the current NoFly or Damage modes). LandBan should extend up to infinity. If that bothers people, then they should look at why people are banning them. Freeze needs to be extended in time. 30 seconds is just not enough with laggy sims (which usually lag harder due to griefer activity). Frozen persons should be able to call for Live Help to prevent this being used as a greifing tool itself, or Landowners should be able to Freeze "Permanently" with said system sending out an alarm to LL, Live Help, and/or designated persons to look into the situation immeadiately.

And before we get into the statement that LL doesn't have the manpower to do all that, maybe that's the problem. They don't have the resources to deal with it all, and we don't have the tools, nor the authority do handle it ourselves. I can turn most griefers into paste, but if I do then I get ARed for violationg the ToS.

No win situtation.

And no, I'm not slamming LL. This isn't an easy of a fix as it first seems. Too many avenues to look at. My frustration simply comes with not being able to physically strangle the little retards that make up the griefer scene.

~Jessy

You don't need a dungeon for the kinda harrassin' I've been giving out lately. I've got a virtually bottomless bag' o tricks.

But if I'm not bored enough to bother- and it's on my land- it's usually:
1. Freeze.
2. Make fun of.
3. Eject & Ban.

--or--

1. Orbit.
2. Ban.

Why is setting the griefers on fire not on the poll?

I just AR

one time I had this griefer and I sayed to him if you do not stop I will call your mom on you! He did run off..

During the last grid attack I did my duty and stood watch at the telehub of my home sim. Locked down building and scritping to what I had access too, and had my orbiter ready to go.

Someone not two days old dressed a clown dropped in. Didn't respond to my commands to identify himself. , was apparently looking for a place to rez, and tried to fly off.
*ahem* /attack clownyboy noob

They need to give me estate access, really.

I blast them back to their mama's wombs. AR and wait until Monday just doesn't work for me anymore.

O-kay!

Best two sentence summing up so far! BladyBlue is on top of the leaderboard!

Engage them in converstation. I find most griefers are more than happy to talk about it.

Best quote evar
(espicially when taken out of context )

Personally, I simply ignore them. Im usually behind a script window anyway. They think Im away then move on to greener pastures. I abuse report them while there at it too, if I feel eloquent enough.

I do wish the ban lines prevented people's objects from roaming onto your property though. It would stimie the flow of pushgun toters.
==Chris

I just sit and laugh at them... oh, and AR them too...

Nothing funnier than seeing someone trying to blast me to bits in a no-damage parcel and swearing at me because I "must be using hacks" against them...



Unless I'm at home, in which case they get very unceremoniously ejected... and good riddence too.

I voted kill them all... because it is one I find I use regretably often.

It's not my only method though - there were some prims with a picture posted on them that were defaming another resident. Nowhere near my land, and no one actually there. That got an AR (and action, the signs disappeared by the next day).

People that randomly hassle me for money/sex (quite rare, living in quiet sims has advantages) usually get told no, and if they persist get shot (most don't in my experience, at least not since my very early days has it happened to me).

People who think it's smart to try and verbally insult me usually get confused by the vocabulary I use to answer them.

That said the last time I got griefed I ARed the person, or rather people involved. They were running a scam in IM to try and extort money from me. Not quite sure how they thought it would work... but that's what they tried. It's hard to kill them in some random sim where you're not, and just maybe the AR will have an effect.

I think Travis' comment about granularity of ARing is one that the Linden's should look at seriously. I'm pretty sure an AR includes the location you send it from. If you've still got the data, look at the locations. Overall rates may not have changed appreciably. But if there are a number of places that attract griefers - the Shelter seemingly one of them now sadly - checking by sim and spotting that they've tripled their number of ARs in recent times paints a different picture - the places that get griefed a lot get a lot more... and the rest of the grid obscures the increase as it increases inexorably in size.

This is a disturbing thread. Not only because of the questions it raises concerning Linden Lab's understanding of the workings of their own world, but because I'm in the middle of buying an island - mainly because I had imagined that security was better. Now I'm hearing that it's no better than anywhere else unless I make my island invisible.
Can anyone throw any light on this? IS an island more secure than a mainland plot?

Some of the people on my ban lists, i checked well over a couple months ago and their accounts turned up gone, But recently back within the last few weeks. I just haven't seen them login. I still keep them on the ban lists anyway. I didn't select a option on this vote since i never leave my own territory. All i gota do is AR them and Eject-O-Ban. But i could see the hostility if i was in a public sandbox i didn't have that control over. I would probably AR them and attempt to crash their clients. So whatever you do, don't get me into a public sandbox.

*rubs her psitec implant* Burn..

Serously i don't douht for a second that LL employees live in our world, they just choose to stay in safe zones like the welcome area and private sims that are closed off. The only greifing you get in a no script zone would be gestures and people streaking hehe.

Usually putting on my overweight transvestite avatar and trying to cyber them makes them leave.


I will typically follow them for several sims, propositioning them the whole way, they end up TPing away.

Why don't any griefers ever want to play with me?

Huh? You mean that's NOT your usual AV Schwan? OMG! Ah well, live and learn...




Couldn't POSSIBLY coment - but, ever though of hiring out as a sim security system?

So lock island to no scripts and no makeing things. What is the solution?
Have two sims. Does one buy land on mainland and vet every person? Or maybe just ban ppls from 6/6 on? The list is not goign to be long enough. The delight of sitting relaxing is sadly going . DEFENCE.

People are now contacting me offering "Protection" 1000 L and you will not be grieffed. Lord.

Ah, that'll be the 'wannabe cop' brigade. Simple, just look up every 'police' 'cop' and 'security' group and add all officers and members to your security system's ban list.

Oh, and maybe AR anyone who tries to blackmail you like that - after all, if LL doesn't keep the Enron filing cabinets running they might sieze up!

I managed to sell a prefab to the last griefer who was verbally abusing me...they didnt own or rent land but I told them there was was a sim called "gullabilityville" where they could set up the prefab and live there for free for up to 2 months. The one good thing about griefers is that they are generally as thick as pig sh*t.

I am genuinely curious of those packing the bad-ass-blow-the-motherfuckers-out-of-the-solar-system attitude with my it's-so-bad-I-can't-talk-about-it arsenal of weapons...

How old are you ? ok sorry I was being facetious...

Given the most awesome shield known to virtual man is a... plywood cube, and it takes barely half a dozen lines of script to surgically orbit someone (and none at all to nuke a sim with a few physical objects) what is it with this weapons thing ?

Unless the griefer is a completely clueless noob (so props to you for demonstrating your "awesome" fire power on them) you're surely just inviting them back to "play" by interacting with them in this manner aren't you ?

Many of these groups are made up of people who are as fed up as you are with the griefers, and don't mind getting their hands dirty.

Some of them are as bad as the griefers, and shoot anybody in sight when they show up.

The problem is, of course, that there really isn't any effective police force in SL, and there never was. Read the ToS for all the disclaimers LL makes about that. When things are set up the way they are, you have three options:

a) sit on your front porch with a shotgun and risk getting reported and/or suspended yourself
b) rely on the almost completely inneffective abuse reporting system (which doesn't stop the mayhem, but only puts little tickmarks on people's records - tickmarks most griefers ignore because they know they can be back in-world in five minutes even if they get perma-banned)
c) find one of these vigilante groups you can rely on and have them deal with your griefer problem so you aren't stuck with the job every single time.


Of course, option c) is the real trick..

Um, CJ, running a business you can't AFFORD spend the day sitting on a cube while griefers blow your customers away, wreck the sim and throw junk everywhere. And a cube won't stop them crashing your client or sim either.

So, you switch damage on, your weapon system is meanwhile adding everyone who attacks you to the enemy list, you switch to kill enemies, and settle down to adding the griefers to your security system ban list while they die. At that point you can switch the weapon system off and clear up while watching incoming griefers being bounced home. If any others show up - rinse and repeat. Generally the most determined give up in 10-15 minutes. ARs, Live Help, what use are THEY?
And finding a Linden and then watching the Linden watch your sim being wrecked for a bit before asking them to leave (they return immediately after anyway) is a pointless waste of time.

The name of the game is keeping things running with minimal disruption to paying customers trying to spend money - something LL could learn from, had they the wit.

Dealing with griefers is not a game - it's profit and loss.

If you turn damage enabled on, or have it on already, its a valid combat area and ARs for push and other weapons will be ignored. You may be reported, but they will be suspended for filing a false report. Not you.

I haven't seen any suspensions even on serious assaults - filing a false report can result in a suspension? Really??