Today's Registration Protests

I missed that one. I was at the Pudong Hotel across the river from Shanghai getting a wax job with peacock feather and teak.

Yes, were the protesters to go against their statement that it will be a peaceful protest where they just sit there without saying anything...yes, I can see how that would be griefing. Thing is, that hasn't happened yet. If it does, and if it is started by the original protesters, then you can call it griefing. But you've been calling the original idea--the idea for a peaceful protest--griefing from the beginning.

It almost seems like you're backpedalling now.

*sigh* its the story of every boys life.

See you grow up watching porno since you were like 8, and you think "One day I'm going to be that guy with the big dong and the ladies will moan for me...."

You get a little older, you grow up.... you live your life....

Then one day your 26 years old standing at a urinal and you remember your previous vow... you look down and your like "oh.... =("

It's not polite to suggest any of the men in this thread are "small".

Go bark up some other tree, k thx bye.

Folks, be nice. *official Resmod fingerwag*. It's sad that this situation is leading to distrust of anyone with a new account (*looks at certian people*), but acussing everyone involved of being "anti-newbie" is just as falicious (*looks at certian other people.*) In either case, this thread is being detrailed into the trolling and attacking realm and that would be bad.

It's nice to know I'm missed.

If everyone register 100 new accounts and multi log into the party the sim might crash. and it isn´t malicious scripting.

I think it's amusing that there are some people who think disagreeing with the registration changes and wanting to be at the parade are mutually exclusive. Ever thought that they might have been at the parade anyway? Just now they'll be wearing a particular tshirt! *gasp* the horror!

Summer,
Who's griefing? They plan to stand there in silent protest before an audience of their peers, they are not planning on blocking anyone, pushing anyone, or verbaly assaulting anyone.

Oh well, I guess theres no point in arguing with someone who has already formed their opinion. I guess if you don't like it, you should go ahead and eject/ban the protesters from the area.. Wait.. Nevermind, that doesn't really work anymore anyway since they can just make some alts and come back in 5 minutes.


Cindy,
Good luck with the protest stuff!! I hope it goes well.. *shouts, "Hell no!! We wont go!!"* Ooops, sorry, got carried away..



--Fox

Kris, truth be told I'm looking forward to hearing what Phillip and Robin have to say. I probably would have taken off work early anyway to attend, but the demonstrations just gave me extra incentive

I guess a lot of the newbies think this is a good thing. But ...

In the United States, at least, a lot of people are already being arrested for soliciting sex on the internet. What this entails is chatting with them on America Online, talking about sex, and then going to meet the person they were talking about.

Second Life has an added layer to the mix.

On Second Life, you don't need to meet that person to have sex with them. You just go in to a nice, mature corner, and have sex.

If that person turns out to be, like, nine, well, you're in trouble.

There will be legal ramifications from hell from this. You better believe it.

What is being protested? Not so much greifers, but little rugrats pulling this garbage, and police as well.

We don't need this kind of threat to loom over all of us on SL. Let's just return SL to the nice, safe, mature place it once was.

Oh, wait! But little children are already on there, you say! But of course they are! And if anyone tries to get you in trouble, LL could back you if they verify the person's age, and the law's hands would be bound because no reasonable person could be expected to be talking to a child on a site managed as SL was.

Except anymore, reason is right out the window. You talking to some hot girl on web cam? She's all saggy and wrinkled? You better assume she's, like, eight or something.

Love & Friendship & Blessed Be!
Lynn Kukukulcan

Cin, glad to see you are concerned about this new registration process too. In SL, "adult" material is widely available. I sell animations that range from G rated to Mature. Most commercial websites that make such material available use credit cards partly to verify age of the purchaser. Sure, that verification isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than nothing. Now that protection is being removed from SL? Should I be dismantling the Mature sections of my store now?

You're welcome to retract this statement now Summer.

In actuality, up until the moment someone completely unrelated to our group (this was witnessed by two friends of mine, I won't name the person's name here) dropped prims on Phillip and crashed everyone, it was actually a very nice time.

Our group in our tshirts stayed far away from the parade and other events. (well except for a few who really wanted to go see it, I might have if the lag hadnt been so bad) We sat in a group in the bleachers and chatted and had a good time until Phillip came to give his speech, then we listened right along with the rest of the audience.

No one was sour faced or distracting or disruptive. In fact until I crashed and didn't get to listen to Phillips speech I was actually really having fun.

So sorry you missed it.

I didn't miss a thing.

Neither will you admit that you were wrongly accusing the protesters of being griefers then? Surely you owe them that?

Wendel

I don't "owe" anything to anyone. I had concerns, I voiced them, just like everyone else. Nothing happened and in my book that's just dandy.

Do I support or think that it was the thing to bring to the party? No
Do I look at it as passive agressive greifing? Yes

Which any non aggressive and passive protest could be seen as, I guess. I'm sure their imaginary SL file would mention something like: "They wore T Shirts and sat nicely and quietly at the event". Yeah.

More seriously though, do give the people who are concerned about the changes a bit more credit. It's not against SL. It's not against newbies. It's because we want to keep SL as a mature world where everyone is welcome, if said person is within the age range and is willing to take a sliver of responsibility for his/her actions. No more.

Wendel

Actually if you want to talk about passive agressive behavior, (and of course I can only speak for the few hours that I was there before it crashed) there was the occasional person who would sit down and try to goad us into behaving badly, one person even called us "jerks". But they didn't get the response they were hoping for. All they got was politeness in return, even during debates.

The fact is, the only thing at all different about my being there was which shirt I wore. I think that's probably true of many.

I missed the protest out did it go?

So Philip got griefed I wonder if he will start caring about the problem now.

Doesn't matter if you think you were being good or not, it was still a jerk thing to do. It would be like if me and a group of people came to your birthday party wearing shirts stating how we dislike some aspect of you. Would you care? Maybe, maybe not. Would that make me and the group of people wearing the shirts jerks? Yes.

Summer was stating a valid concern based on that same jerkwad behavior. We are glad that it didn't go beyond the shirt thing though. Still, even if you didn't act up, having a protest against something on a day that is to be celebrated is a really negative thing to do.

No, it's not a jerk thing to do.

coco

Yes it is.

Tren

What a world of difference between your attitude, calling demonstrators with legitimate concerns "jerks", and Philip's words: "we've got protests going on today and so let me respect those people and the issue by talking about it first."

Yeh, he really treated us crummy huh?


No, she was not. The entirety of her contribution to the whole debate has been to mischaracterize, create strawmen and name call. She's acted like a troll, not someone with a reasonable rebuttal. And now that her misguided fears of "griefing" have been shown to be unfounded (even after several of us assured her it wasn't what this was about) she doesn't even have the moral courage to admit she was wrong. You're pointing that "jerkwad" accusation in the wrong direction, I think.


Let me explain to you what the real "negative" will be -- it will be when some moral crusader US Congressman gets wind of minors cavorting in the adult content of SL and then finding out that all pretense of ID check was purposely removed by the Lindens. Negative will be the lawsuits and undercover sting operations that start trying to paint Second Life in a bad light. Negative? You haven't seen negative yet, not even close. And some of us just want to make it clear that we don't like the direction things are heading -- that's our right, and indeed our obligation as passionate, caring citizens of Second Life.

Well Tren, if the birthday was being held in the very place you hang out and was in fact a community wide birthday (sound familiar?) you would be able to do as you like.

This was not in celebration of Phillip Linden's personal RL birthday. This was the celebration of Second Life's 3rd birthday and we are a part of the Second Life community. We would have been there regardless of what we chose to wear. The only difference today was that my tshirt had words on it. Our behavior was exactly the same. We hung out, we talked, we listened, we enjoyed ourselves.

EDIT: And actually people came to us asking us questions, asking us to explain and wanting to debate with us, which we gladly and respectfully did. If no one had asked us a thing, it would have been only the words on our shirts. At no point (can only speak for while I was there of course) was anyone negative in any way, unless you count the person sticking around calling us "jerks" the whole time, whom we managed to ignore for the most part.