Today's Registration Protests

I know, it's incredible, no?

When yourself, Lewis and I are in agreement on something, I think that is an indicator that there is an issue.

These forums are being slowly overrun with amazingly knowledgeable newbies, trolls, and many obvious alts.

I don't know how anyone can look at the state of the forums since the policy change, and submit that this doesn't translate into the same crap going on in world.

I have been attacked twice in one week, when I hadn't been attacked in months, my girlfriend and her business partner have been attacked, and countless others on the forums are relating stories that they've been attacked, scammed, or had their business messed with.

But it's all in our heads, right? It's got nothing to do with the policy change, right?

Or they could be an alt of an older player who didn't like their original avatar, name, or had problems with people bugging them....there are lots of reasons it could have been done.

And I guess I just don't see anything sacrosanct about the opinions of older users in general. (on edit: not saying you're saying this. But such a construal is possible).

I lost my temper with Wrom's insistence that I "calm down". Your comments in this and other threads have led me to believe you don't care to engage in a substantive debate but just wish to create strawmen you can knock down.

We're insulting no one, but go ahead and feel insulted if you choose. We want Second Life to be a safe, fun place for everyone (including you), but we feel as though the Lindens' registration change has endangered that. If you disagree, feel free to show me how the unlimited creation of unverified accounts can ever be a healthy thing for any online community. Convince me that the daily firebombings and bad behavior I'm seeing since 6/6 is a thing of my own imagination, but please do it with logic and facts instead of strawmen.

The whole point of our demonstration is not "effectiveness". Few single demonstrations ever are. But I, for one, will feel a great sense of satisfaction that I at least took a stand against something that I think is wrong, misguided, and very harmful to the world of Second Life. Everyone must follow their conscience, even if it's not "effective".

Last time I checked, it's well within the rules to have more than one account. Whether or not I do, really isn't anyone's business but my own. To discredit anything I have to say based on that is a weak argument. Work with what ya got, gentlemen. At least when Selador was chastising me yesterday it was about my poor spelling and grammer..and punctuation of which I gladly open myself to any suggestions he has and would attend further tutoring as he saw fit.

I must admit I am taking quite a liking to you all.

Once again, explain how the protesters sitting quietly is griefing. You haven't yet. Wearing a shirt with a statement you don't like/agree with is not griefing.

Should I file ARs against anyone wearing red or orange shirts? My favorite colors are blues and dark purples...I find reds and oranges to be mildly unsettling.

Sure is, and it's also within the rules to call you a trolling alt with not real point other than to stir the pot.

"We love the protests! Since Linden Lab is located in San Francisco, we have seen our fair share of protests, civil disobedience, and some of us are huge believers in Critical Mass. Protests are not only a good way of getting the attention of lots of people, but they also inspire a level of creativity that is rarely seen, and easily shelved by people once the protests are over."
- Peter Linden
http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2003/09/tax_revolt_in_a.html

Yes these June starters are a talented bunch. A lot of them are really fast learners

There's nothing sacrosanct about the opinions of older users.

There's also nothing wrong with a brand new player posting an opinion (particularly since experience in a particular mileau isn't necessary for a person to have a guiding principles that apply everywhere).

It is extremely unfortunate if a sincere new player is mistaken for the alt of a coward or trouble-maker.

Nonetheless: PART of the problem we are facing with the open registration system is exactly this - way more cowardly, trouble-making and insincere alts on the forum.

Geez, even tempts me to make a few alts and back up myself with nasty anonymous posts to others!

coco

Very true. Mind you, we are missing Kevn and Ulrika.

This is certainly the most worrying development I have experienced since I have been in Second Life, not least because of the attitude of the Lindens.

Protest if you must. Just don't get in my way of celebrating all of the other, legitimately good aspects of Second Life that are worth celebrating you bunch of wet blankets.

Good question.

I don't believe it will be a poilte sit down protest. It may be intended that way, it may start off okay I don't think it will sustain peacefully. I think it will attract a rukus and will detract from the celebration when I am already VERY confident that the Lindens are aware of this issue already what is hoping to be achieved? Is there no other way to go about raising awareness than hijacking a celebration of SL's anniversary? I guess it's okay at any cost is the logic, how selfish and the others be dammed to their agenda.

Seems like bringing grief to an event.

Maybe if they wanted to be involved with the event they could of gotten authorized to host a "booth" or something , this is just impromptu chaos and unthoughtful organizing.

You think the Lindens could say,"This is ass. We don't want protestors at the celebration?". No they can't say that, or omg people would choke on their underwear that had been sucked up their butts when they were discouraged from protesting at the celebration.

The Lindens can't win with anyone right now. Grief from unverified people, grief from established players, who gets to just enjoy the fruits of this celebration with the Emo like righteous brooding in a corner with their t-shirts on?

It's a pity you neglected to tell the whole story. That I was pointing out the hypocrisy of your first posting when you attacked a Swedish, dyslectic poster over the standard of her English.

I'm afraid I don't return your affection.

On topic and ignore Trolling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Troll

Those who are interested in attending and hearing what Philip and Robin have to say about our future, both new and old. The talk starts at 2pm and goes on until 4pm. For those who want to show thier displeasure with the current state of things and possibly discuss this in a group forum please join the group "1503 - 1523 Protest" and lets get talking.

Counter to the misrepresentation of what we are about. This is a protest against the free access by minors into the Adult Grid and Forums. The protection of the Teen Grid from adults.

We do not support, condone griefing of any nature. Our protest is a Silent one. No rude language, no heckling, no trolling, we are loyal residents of SL and can behave as such.

There will be those that try to distract and take the issue to other places. Stick the line. Do not let them suck you in. Mute or ignore them no matter what. They are trolling for your emotions. Ignore the troll.

We are to stay civil as we are all concerned adults.

Months ago, when this event was in the planning stage, there wasn't any indication that this change was going to be thrown at us - so it's far too late to have any 'official' presence there in the ways that you suggest.

Impromptu chaos? Not if I have anything to do with it. I've run a scout troop for 10 years and have motivated 20 tired teenagers who don't want to do anything except poke a fire with a stick. I will be there, and doing all that I can to maintain this event's legitimacy.

Remember of course the group founder can kick out troublemakers, and people that are there to cause trouble will be AR'd and removed as necessary by the means available to all residents.

If you want to organise a counter protest, you have every right to do so. You're saying we're pissing on LL's parade by exercising our rights to protest.... stop pissing on our parade then.

Lewis

I plan to be there. I've already joined the group.

Have you posted it in the events calendar? Feel free to use the Warmouth infohub as a gathering place, remember Linden owned land can be used to host events as far as the calendar is concerned regardless of your current land ownership status, if you aren't able to set a place in the party area.

I will make contact with you in-game later to see what I can do to help.

Lewis

Actually, LL has a history of encouraging, and indeed embracing protests at events.

It's nothing new. There was one at last year's SL anniversary party too, to protest supposed Linden favoritism. Not to mention the protests about taxes and the 1.2 changes, both of which seem to be mainstays when LL is bragging up how this place is a "world" or a "nation". It's a selling point.

The only way I see a ruckus arising, is if the people who are anti the protest confront the protesters. Wearing tshirts and carrying signs is not griefing.

Is that a threat?

No see "Summer", instigating a confrontation was a hypothetical I posed on the part of the antis. So that would mean... yes... griefing on the part of the antis!

Stay with me now, you can nap at lunch time.

Don't forget the HELL NO WE WON'T GROW cock-in!

okay, just checking. It would be uncool to start threatening people who just disagree with the people who want to protest.

Point. Set. Match.

ROFL!!!
OMG i just snorted!
thank you for making my day!

Oh yes. I agree "Summer". The same goes for threatening those who wish to disagree with LL in a peaceful manner.

But not as uncool as making fun of people's grammar or spelling when one's own literary skill leaves a lot to be deisred.