Word from a vendor to the public.
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Luciftias Neurocam
Ecosystem Design
Join date: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 742
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01-27-2006 13:47
From: Enabran Templar I... never know how to respond to these threads.
My job is to make my customers happy. That's your job, too. Sometimes they aren't happy. You work until that changes. I derive significant benefits from the existence of my customers. As a result of those benefits, I owe each and every one of them my time, patience and prompt communication.
I mean... I can understand being occasionally frustrated, but I don't expect anything from my customers, except for them to demand the best from me. I'm certainly not going to lecture them on how to interact with me.
I'm going to quote something here for you. I hope you'll take this example to heart. It's how business owners should treat their customers. This guy is the CEO of a restaurant company, who took the time to write to a customer who was sad that roasted veggies had been taken off the menu. Yeah. Roasted veggies. (Thanks, consumerist.com) Hey Enabran that was a really neat and conscientious reply. The only customer service I've gotten of comparable politeness was when I called the Pringles manufacturer and asked how they made their chips. Not once did they imply I was a crank.
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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01-27-2006 15:11
From: Tanaquil Karuna I know that "the customer is king" (at least it's the expression we use in my country). It's just that, well, if the king is a benevolent one, don't things work better for everybody? Oh, absolutely, to be certain, I vastly prefer dealing with polite folks. There's no question that I would prefer everyone be... patient when addressing their concerns to me. But I guess my point is, even if a customer is a dirtbag to me, he's a dirtbag who helped me pay my cable bill, so I just need to swallow hard and do what I can for him.
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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01-27-2006 15:13
From: Luciftias Neurocam Hey Enabran that was a really neat and conscientious reply. The only customer service I've gotten of comparable politeness was when I called the Pringles manufacturer and asked how they made their chips.
Not once did they imply I was a crank. Did they seriously walk you through it? That's pretty cool.  I always assumed they were taking ground potatoes, mixing them into a bit of a seasoned dough and then baked them in some kind of forms to make the distinctive shape. How far off am I? Please tell the story! Also, if I recall correctly, Pringles is one of the only food products made by P&G, who have a pretty big stick up their backside about being good to customers -- old fashioned, almost.
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
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01-27-2006 15:16
This is why I don't get into selling things to people. I don't come on to be obligated beyond what I promise by myself.
The only customer I've ever had in SL, I feel so guilty about not having provided him with a proper instruction manual that I feel like refunding him double. The internal customers that I deal with in FL, I don't care about at all, unless they sit next to me and/or can get me fired.
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Luciftias Neurocam
Ecosystem Design
Join date: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 742
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01-27-2006 16:28
From: Enabran Templar Did they seriously walk you through it? That's pretty cool.  I always assumed they were taking ground potatoes, mixing them into a bit of a seasoned dough and then baked them in some kind of forms to make the distinctive shape. How far off am I? Please tell the story! Also, if I recall correctly, Pringles is one of the only food products made by P&G, who have a pretty big stick up their backside about being good to customers -- old fashioned, almost. You're not far off.... The story goes like this: I was sitting around in college with a bunch of friends, and it is likely that a modicum of alcohol was consumed. We were eating pringles, and commenting how they were far superior to any other potato based snack. And wondering how they were formed into that shape and possess that little bumpy texture. And then we noticed, on the side of the can, the fateful words: "Got a question? Call us!" followed by a 1-800 number. In our, shall we say, mellow, state, this was an offer we could not refuse. The woman who answered the phone noticed, I'm sure, that I was not in a completely sober state, but played along with me, putting me through to someone who could answer my questions (a potato chip engineer?). The long and short of this is: Pringles flakes potatoes and then dries them out. After seasoning the dried flakes, they re-add water to the mixture and pound it into a loose dough (but they do not mix it too much....the flakes never completely blend together...which helps yield the bump texture upon baking I was told). At this point the flaky dough is cut into chip shapes and placed on a saddle-like thing that moves the chips into the frier. This is where the chip gets its overall shape. The chip is fried, seasoned some more, and voila, everyones favorite chip-like snack.
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
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01-27-2006 16:46
I am *so* going to try making me some pringles now.
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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01-27-2006 16:50
From: Luciftias Neurocam The long and short of this is: Pringles flakes potatoes and then dries them out. After seasoning the dried flakes, they re-add water to the mixture and pound it into a loose dough (but they do not mix it too much....the flakes never completely blend together...which helps yield the bump texture upon baking I was told). At this point the flaky dough is cut into chip shapes and placed on a saddle-like thing that moves the chips into the frier. This is where the chip gets its overall shape. The chip is fried, seasoned some more, and voila, everyones favorite chip-like snack. This is fantastic. I'm surprised, though, that they are fried. They don't have the greasy texture of so many fried foods. Go figure. On that subject, what do you think of Lays Stax? I was a pretty big fan of Pringles for most of my life, but after some soul searching, I am forced to admit that Stax conveys a crispier, superior texture and a fuller flavor. I'm also delighted by its use of a durable plastic can that exhibits none of the fragility of its cardboard-based Pringles counterpart.
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From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
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Jakkal Dingo
Equal Opp. Offender
Join date: 16 Feb 2005
Posts: 283
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01-28-2006 00:09
From: someone As far as people who end up a male in a female avatar, or vice versa... maybe you could simply sell the AVs unisex, with both male and female copies of whichever components aren't shared? I'm talking about the full prim avatars, they're completely different in male and female. Well not completely, but all of the body parts are altered between the male and female forms. All the other avs come with male and female shape (And both parts if there's dimorphism related to the av. It just seems to me that if people are going to spend a lot on something, they should read the whole ad. In addition, the buttons for the avs have the male and female signs on them, and most of the ads themselves SAY if it's male or female. A lot of the confusion could be ended if people would just stop, let the images rez, and read. Now I do worry that the vendors are confusing, but I've never had anyone ask me about it before, so I'd have to say that for most people, they can figure it out. I had to deal with a REALLY confusing vendor the other day for a skin I bought, and I just about left the place to go elsewhere, until I figured out that you had to pay some far off prim elsewhere to get the item. Mine's easy as pie compared to that 
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Felix Uritsky
Prime Minister of Lupinia
Join date: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 267
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01-28-2006 00:26
From: Jakkal Dingo I'm talking about the full prim avatars, they're completely different in male and female. Well not completely, but all of the body parts are altered between the male and female forms. All the other avs come with male and female shape (And both parts if there's dimorphism related to the av. It just seems to me that if people are going to spend a lot on something, they should read the whole ad. In addition, the buttons for the avs have the male and female signs on them, and most of the ads themselves SAY if it's male or female. A lot of the confusion could be ended if people would just stop, let the images rez, and read. Now I do worry that the vendors are confusing, but I've never had anyone ask me about it before, so I'd have to say that for most people, they can figure it out. I had to deal with a REALLY confusing vendor the other day for a skin I bought, and I just about left the place to go elsewhere, until I figured out that you had to pay some far off prim elsewhere to get the item. Mine's easy as pie compared to that  Don't your vendors also have hovertext describing what the item is? Seems like people would know to look at that at least if they're too impatient to let the images load.
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Jakkal Dingo
Equal Opp. Offender
Join date: 16 Feb 2005
Posts: 283
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01-28-2006 01:30
Yeah, they do. I can also set them to give a notecard with info about each av being shown. I've been wanting to redesign them to make them easier to use, but for so many avs, I can't really think of a better way than it is now. They're kind of setup like webpages currently. Maybe I should make "how to use this vendor" notecards 
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Luciftias Neurocam
Ecosystem Design
Join date: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 742
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01-30-2006 08:51
From: Enabran Templar This is fantastic.
I'm surprised, though, that they are fried. They don't have the greasy texture of so many fried foods. Go figure.
On that subject, what do you think of Lays Stax? I was a pretty big fan of Pringles for most of my life, but after some soul searching, I am forced to admit that Stax conveys a crispier, superior texture and a fuller flavor. I'm also delighted by its use of a durable plastic can that exhibits none of the fragility of its cardboard-based Pringles counterpart. Haven't tried Lay's Stax, but will do so tonight, as its grocery night... 
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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01-30-2006 12:10
You could do what Whinge's vendor just started doing. After you pay, you get a dialog something like this:
"You selected the Ninja Weasel Male Brown Wolf Avatar. If this is what you want, click "Buy". If not, click "Cancel" and your money will be refunded."
Then you click "Buy" and it completes the transaction. I assume that if you "Ignore" the dialog or just wait it'll refund you anyway after a time-out.
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