FirstIsland

My "first land" plot was, after about 1 month, surrounded by a mass of "no entry" tape and barriers, you couldn't even walk around the Sim, you literally had to fly into your parcel from above! Absolutely no "community" there whatsoever.

I moved to a private island and found a superb community there. It's pretty much all gone now, but still......

I haven't personally found a heck of a lot of "community" in evidence whether you're on the mainland or a private island.

Holy shit!
That's insane!
Do those people realize that a normal human has friends and visits them all the time?
I must have logged on with Eggy in 5 different places.
If there is such a system as you describe then just about every portuguese player is my alt.
Gwyneth Llewelyn, Moon Adamant, my girlfriend, one of my old college friends... oO

hadn't thought of that!

well they did would have had their enjoyment over the time when sims did cost money. like high tech anything.. initial price is high.

alternatively, prices could gradually be reduced to make sims more accessible.

what you are talking about is heavy handed social engineering. this is supposed to be a free world. we can let the free amrket decide what they want- sprawl community or pocket communities. why force ones own choice on everyone?

Lets face it hun, you and I were always of completely opposite opinions. Yeah, I do approve of social engineering if the outcome is worthwhile, and of anarchy if so too...
In SL we tried anarchy and it failed. We tried capitalism, and it's failed. We're in a world where the only thing with "value" is based on extra-world currency (i.e. land)... and therefore nothing in the world has value exceot that given by rarity. It's the perfect place to try perfect communism... and before you jump, Jamie, I don't mean the failed stuff that Marx and Stalin wanted, I mean something closer to communes ... it can be done, it cane work, and it can be good for everyone... It will bever work (it can't) it the real; world... but here.. SL, it's worth trying... Assuming that capitalism, which kinda works rl, is best here is as bad as assuming that marxism is...

The truth lies in compromise... but... in order for it to work, you need to be able to trust your neighbour... and right now, there are too many people that you can't trust.

Wouldn't the cost of bandwidth be more expensive that what you'd pay LL? I don't know what the costs are so I'm only speculating but it would seem that one thing LL can offer as the host is an economy of scale for bandwidth costs. If you have a few hundred people coming to your sim every week (or even every day) who are each being served up 10-50mb or more of data, wouldn't that be hugely expensive?

your aspirations for sl are completely misaligned with LL's. they are soliciting RL business interests to use SL as a tool. "SL is a country" is the 2004 mantra.

i don't know how communism can work. SL is not independant of our RL but a subset of it. the inequity in RL can't be checked at the door with the L$=USD. and why should it? the currency exchange has created an incentive that has really propelled the quality of content in SL. similarly, LL should let the free market determine what people want out of their SL. social engineering can backfire because people couldn't make the world their own and quit.

People already can't make the whole world their own, as there are market incumbents in some areas.

To be on topic: I'd like it if it was possible to get a "low traffic island" which was the same area as a regular one but only supporting say 5-10 avatars. LL would host multiple low traffic islands on the same core, favouring putting island owned by people in different timezones on the core. So people could get room for small groups or personal sandboxes without having to pay the same hosting fee as the 100,000 traffic casino islands.

This is an interesting porposal. Let's put it to a vote as well.

That is interesting. I wonder if the support requirements vary enough between high traffic sims and low traffic sims to make this viable. Maybe open the way for a min fee to a max fee.

We could host the main code on our own machines and the data on our webspace.

But still, I'd rather spend $1000 on a machine that I own and can spill my own coffee over. Rather than use of a machine in some bunker that I have to share with 3 other smelly sim owners.


I'm thinking Active Worlds here.

Linden Lab could do this. I'm just curious as to whether it is beneficial for them. Isn't Second Life going to end up like Active Worlds if everybody can host their own sim?

I have a suspicion that Active Worlds died because the money flow to AW Inc dried up.

I think AW "died" in the public eye because they feature development slowed to a crawl. It wa also never advertised very well. The project managers let it die before it became mainstream.

Their business model was sound though. They still collect licensing fees for operational worlds afaik. The Second Life server can require that one side of one sim, in our privately hosted worlds, be connected to their Grid All Hail The Central Grid in order to run properly. That will ensure wora'uld connectivity across the board and guarantee their annual licensing fees.

I asked someone the difference between him teleporting to a landmark in Taber and teleporting to Khamonland which just happened to hosted at a colo in Alabama. He didn't answer me.

And then I'd resell it at a profit to a big landowner who was waiting for it!

That's the problem with this scheme. There is a much larger supply of people who have never owned an island than of people who are looking to buy them. The net result would simply be to cut the amount of money that LL gets from islands in half, because ALL islands would be bought by new buyers and then resold.