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Darkness Anubis
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Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,628
07-12-2006 09:04
Is it true these ban lines for unverified only go up to 50m?

This is starting to look like an option for us. Put the Adult content at ground level and the PG at 70m. We really do not want to parcel the land.

Does anyone know if the landing point on a private island can be set above ground level?
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Zoe Llewelyn
Asylum Inmate
Join date: 15 Jun 2004
Posts: 502
07-12-2006 09:14
Yes, Landing point can be set anywhere you like on your island.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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Join date: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,741
07-12-2006 09:17
From: Suzanna Soyinka
In the process though you "protect" yourself from quite possibly thousands of potential users/customers/clients that are NOT minors, NOT griefers, and have simply joined without any verification info because the Lindens have allowed them to do so.

I don't really think of this as discrimination, more as just a very poorly thought out method of controlling a problem that doesn't need to be a problem and wouldn't be if the Lindens hadn't for some reason, decided that we needed to make accessing Second Life easier than it already was.

I agree with this. Nonetheless, discrimination will be one of its byproducts.

coco
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Kenny Doughboy
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Join date: 16 Dec 2005
Posts: 4
07-12-2006 09:21
From: Wrom Morrison
Stores blocking people with no-payment would mostly affect Goreans.

Why?!

Cause slaves can't own anything and won't have to pay for anything, but they'd have ot be lead to the store where the commander (or do they call it Master?) buys the latest in silk fashion for her.

So now, the Gorean commander cannot drag his slave to the store. And you know how pissed off the arrogant commander would be?!

I bet this would cause a Great Gorean Auction!. They might even sell off all slaves and try to tame rich women.



They could put a Gorean slave (bike rack) by the door of the store.......Just a thought
Darkness Anubis
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Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,628
07-12-2006 09:22
To other Adult content providers out there.

Is a ban on unverified enough?

What I am wondering is if I really need to ban those that have never used their payment information. I would seriously prefer not to do this but I also do not like the idea of a lawsuit.
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Siobhan Taylor
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Join date: 13 Aug 2003
Posts: 5,476
07-12-2006 09:22
From: Kenny Doughboy
They could put a Gorean slave (bike rack) by the door of the store.......Just a thought
Or just rails and posts to leash them to...
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Androclese Torgeson
I've got nothin'
Join date: 11 May 2004
Posts: 144
07-12-2006 09:25
From: Dragon Keen
So... SL citizens are allowed to discriminate now?

what a joke

cant wait to see the backlash of this one








*rolles eyes*
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pinks Sugar
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Join date: 27 Mar 2005
Posts: 42
07-12-2006 09:25
I love this new feature....!! Not only for the kids...but for alot of grifers who come to sims i have noticed with these new acounts...so woot love it thank you Lindens!!
Whinge Languish
Filthy Vermin
Join date: 23 Aug 2005
Posts: 14
07-12-2006 09:29
From: Phedre Aquitaine
or F: They MIGHT be alts of someone who DOES use a CC, and cannot use their CC to verify the account (as LL still has a limit, as far as I know), but still can transfer funds between avatars.


I personally know several 'unverified' people who fall into category F there. :P
Roxie Marten
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Join date: 18 Feb 2004
Posts: 291
07-12-2006 09:32
From: Dragon Keen
So... SL citizens are allowed to discriminate now?

what a joke

cant wait to see the backlash of this one



Welcomd to the Second Life Country Club. Please wait to see if your application has been approved.
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Dragon Keen
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Join date: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 245
07-12-2006 09:38
From: Jonas Pierterson
descrimination? hardly

more like protecting ourselves from possible underaged users getting us sued by parents or charged by the government

if they have a parents credit card info on file then the blame falls to the parents in court


cant sue you -- its not your fault

The only person to be held liable would be LL, not someone in the game

Your way of thinking is simply retarded. You cant be liable for anything, if a minor is entered into a "mature" game.
Dragon Keen
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Join date: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 245
07-12-2006 09:42
From: Io Zeno
Well, I agree with you there, but it's better than nothing. At least people have some control on their end if LL isn't going to do it.


ya but "no payment info given" does not necessarily mean a minor
Cromulence DeGroot
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Join date: 13 Sep 2004
Posts: 135
07-12-2006 09:46
From: Darkness Anubis
To other Adult content providers out there.

Is a ban on unverified enough?

What I am wondering is if I really need to ban those that have never used their payment information. I would seriously prefer not to do this but I also do not like the idea of a lawsuit.


If you don't like the idea of a lawsuit you should talk to a goddamn lawyer rather than panicking on an internet forum. Good thing I don't want to buy your dumb sex balls or whatever crap you "adult content" people sell or I would be really annoyed.

Edit to add: I also know of at least one person who bought lindens on Lindex two weeks ago, who is still not listed as "Payment Info Used." You really might want to be careful with your ban stick or you may lose paying customers for your allegedly mature content.
Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 5,119
07-12-2006 10:05
From: Dragon Keen
cant sue you -- its not your fault

The only person to be held liable would be LL, not someone in the game

Your way of thinking is simply retarded. You cant be liable for anything, if a minor is entered into a "mature" game.



There's an old saying for America.. "This is America, you don't have to be 'right' or 'win' to sue."

And frankly, being called into a lawsuit just because your name is on that shop that sold little Ellie her naughty bits is still costly to you. And to me, even though I don't sell mature stuff yet.

The cost of one lawsuit might get eaten by LL.. but the cost of a dozen? They're gonna share the cost by upping the price of premiums, which will up the prices of items in shops.

So, please, feel free to use the tool and cover your behinds, if you need.
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Jamie David
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Join date: 8 Jun 2006
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07-12-2006 10:07
From: Supa Starr
I am not verified. I will never be verified. I spend thousands of L$ per day. Banning a person such as myself would be foolish for a business owner.

Every business, property, sim owner has a group. A quick IM can solve the trouble with an addition to their group and access to the sim one hopes.
After the change to free open entry there is now some controls. For the business owner also there are catalog systems that allow the purchaser to browse in the comfort in the sandbox of their choice.

As for me. I am pleased that I will no longer need to concern my self with the actions of those who are useing the open system for abuse. We want to be open, we want to be friendly, we want to not have to worry about every avi blowing stuff up. Crashing sims.

Bang!!! Down come the doors.

In reality it will mean little. Just the few places that are tired will lock them down. Most will just leave them open in hope of a few lindens.

Casinos will be interesting to watch. With the camping armys out there it would be a goodly protection that there is a chair open for the player with the money. Rather than 30 accounts from 3 people farming the lindens. Not really in LL interest to stop or control those running 10+ accounts live as it helps the numbers. Impossible to prove.
Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
07-12-2006 10:09
From: Dragon Keen
cant sue you -- its not your fault

The only person to be held liable would be LL, not someone in the game

Your way of thinking is simply retarded. You cant be liable for anything, if a minor is entered into a "mature" game.


It can and has happened before that people have been sued, or even threatened with jail, for distributing adult material to a minor even via a service that minors weren't supposed to be accessing.
Gordon Wendt
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Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 1,024
07-12-2006 10:25
From: Yumi Murakami
It can and has happened before that people have been sued, or even threatened with jail, for distributing adult material to a minor even via a service that minors weren't supposed to be accessing.



Gotta love the American legal system, sue first, sue later, then ask questions as to why the kid was doing what he wasn't suppoed to be doing in the first place.
polysilox Apogee
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Join date: 16 May 2006
Posts: 78
uhhh... yeah....but....
07-12-2006 11:16
I have been here six or seven weeks, am probably listed as no payment info listed although I have set up verified paypal accounts, I abandoned CC years ago for a variety of business and personal reasons,(duh, guess what?) I have yet to go premium or rent land or even buy Lindens, However I certainly intend to, but being an artist in RL, income is variable and sometimes unperdictable, last year was the best year in my life financially but not this year so I am a little tentative about spending real world dollars right now, however SL is the best thing to happen to me emotionally(?), morally(?), and creatively(?),
in ten years, the warmth and prescence of those who have befriended me is beyond my ability to even express right now.....but thanks to the people I have met and their concern for me,the tremendous genourosity(?)of some store owners(BARE ROSE) I have personally spent 4000 to 5000 L that I have either won or been given ( I love to dance and I love portable volumetric shaders)and I have probably been given 3000L in gifts. So yes..I feel extremly lucky and thankful for the treatment I have recieved and I would urge you to extend people the benefit of doubt as they may be like me in their desire to be productive useful and loving neighbours.
Darkness Anubis
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Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,628
07-12-2006 11:28
From: Cromulence DeGroot
If you don't like the idea of a lawsuit you should talk to a goddamn lawyer rather than panicking on an internet forum. Good thing I don't want to buy your dumb sex balls or whatever crap you "adult content" people sell or I would be really annoyed.

Edit to add: I also know of at least one person who bought lindens on Lindex two weeks ago, who is still not listed as "Payment Info Used." You really might want to be careful with your ban stick or you may lose paying customers for your allegedly mature content.


Excuse me I am not in a panic. I am asking other Adult content providers what thier plans are and am trying to find the minimum level necessary.

I have vocally been opposed to this information even being in profiles. Unfortunately, LL left the info in and is basically passing the buck to content providers to police things. I think its absurd but am stuck with it. So I will thank you to please refrain from an attack on me or what I make when you do not know anything about me.
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Alysia Loudon
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Join date: 3 Dec 2005
Posts: 14
07-12-2006 12:26
From: Dragon Keen
cant sue you -- its not your fault

The only person to be held liable would be LL, not someone in the game

Your way of thinking is simply retarded. You cant be liable for anything, if a minor is entered into a "mature" game.


Since registration requires no real ID, thers a chance. I'm avoiding that chance entirely.
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