* Parcel owners can ban users based on account settings

So... SL citizens are allowed to discriminate now?

what a joke

cant wait to see the backlash of this one

Yeah, this is like sticking your thumbs in a cracked dike.

And I mean the dikes in Denmark.

Get your head out of the gutter.

descrimination? hardly

more like protecting ourselves from possible underaged users getting us sued by parents or charged by the government

if they have a parents credit card info on file then the blame falls to the parents in court

In the process though you "protect" yourself from quite possibly thousands of potential users/customers/clients that are NOT minors, NOT griefers, and have simply joined without any verification info because the Lindens have allowed them to do so.

I don't really think of this as discrimination, more as just a very poorly thought out method of controlling a problem that doesn't need to be a problem and wouldn't be if the Lindens hadn't for some reason, decided that we needed to make accessing Second Life easier than it already was.

better safe than sorry, in my mind

in short, cry me a river

I'm not crying. I'm a paying customer, my tier costs me half of what I pay for my car monthly.

This isn't an issue of better safe than sorry. People accessing my parcel is what potentially makes me money via my business and my products...using this Account Info level ban just cuts off potential customers from my business...all to what? Stop the occasional minor or griefer?

To quote another metaphor, since you seem to enjoy them "You don't use a sledgehammer to swat a fly."

Its an issue of better safe than sorry to me. Maybe you haven't been dragged through court on ridiculous charges before. Using account info ban make my monetary future look more secure.

All stores should block anyone with no payment on file.

/duck

Oh and to further expound on the potential downsides of this implementation.

Say I use this account level info ban to gain some kind of faux feeling of security. Hooray, griefers can't grief me on their alts, minors can't come in my store and masturbate to my clothing ads...finally safety.

And, for the small percentage of those teens/griefers, that I've blocked...lets say, at the very least I've cut off a....30% increase in new customer transactions.

And since my business is based in one time purchases with upgrades and support for previously purchased products...my product line eventually stagnates without constant new releases (which aren't exactly easy, especially when you're a smaller business trying to break even and maintain a level of credibility among larger businesses that have been around since 2003 or so), my new customer traffic dies off because more and more of them are joining SL unverified.

I tier down because I can no longer afford my tier level and maintain a profit margin.

I eventually tier down completely, stop making anything, and put my successful products in a mall, and only visit SL to pay rents and cash out my money.

This problem and its pseudo solution being added with this patch has just as much potential to harm developers as it does to protect them. Its just the harm is a gradual erosion. Whereas the apparent "benefit" is immediate.

Then don't ban them on your parcel. Different strokes for different folks. They'll be banned on mine.

Stores blocking people with no-payment would mostly affect Goreans.

Why?!

Cause slaves can't own anything and won't have to pay for anything, but they'd have ot be lead to the store where the commander (or do they call it Master?) buys the latest in silk fashion for her.

So now, the Gorean commander cannot drag his slave to the store. And you know how pissed off the arrogant commander would be?!

I bet this would cause a Great Gorean Auction!. They might even sell off all slaves and try to tame rich women.

My issue is that this doesn't....really...in any way, provide a reasonable answer to the problem that was created by the Lindens in the first place.

Its placing the burden of verification on the player base. And I don't think thats our job.

I know I've never paid a game company in my entire life as much as I'm paying Linden Labs.

So you'll have to pardon me if my level of service expectations here are far higher than they would be with say...anyone else.

I expect situations like the one they've created to be policed at THEIR level...not my own. Its their Terms of Service, its Their Community Standards...its not my job to enforce those for them. Its just my job to abide by them.

*sigh*

This is purely voluntary and most stores will not use it. However, those selling adult materials or adult entertainment now at least have a way, if they wish, of demanding "ID" of some sort.

As for personal land, that is someone's personal business. With all the security scripts around people's homes, bans based on accounts will make little difference, except maybe to those who have been griefed very badly, but don't want to ban everyone.

Well, I agree with you there, but it's better than nothing. At least people have some control on their end if LL isn't going to do it.

I'm protecting myself since LL passed the torch. ~shrugs~

Before the new registration system was implemented in SL I never once had a griefing event in six months of residence in a north coast second continent sim.

Not once.

Since the implementation of this policy, orbiter attacks have occured at least three times a week. And only one of them has been anything the Lindens could do anything about because I trapped the guy doing it and it was obvious he was doing it.

I've logged in to find 10m prims full of hermaphrodite porn on my property, property I do business with the public on and have residents that pay me rent to live on.

I've had my land violated and exploited by sensor listmakers, banned individuals exploiting non-physical weapons with sensor targets.

The works.

And guess what? This is all mostly just random jackassery. They're not people I've ever known...ever pissed off, or that have ever even said boo to me prior to showing up at my business and deciding to be an ass.

Banning people based on account info is going to stop this? I rather doubt it.

But Suzanna, you just made the argument for this. Since the open registration policy you have been dealing with lots of griefers, the majority of whom are unverified, coming in through the new system. Now you can ban those very people from your land.

i find it usefull, what as a seller can you expect from someone that refuse to give payment info, wich also mean that :

A: they will never use the lindex (so how will they be your customer if they don't have money)
B: they are campers (an activity i am all for seeing to go, if i have to live without earning camped money, then so be it)
C: they are basic (i have nothing agains basic when they do not shalify to the A: too)
D: they MIGHT be instant griefers (its a small percentage but its that in less)
E: they MIGHT be underage, and then its my right to boot them out.


how to quit this category called "unverified?" just provide a valid card number, you don't even have to PAY anything to go to stage 2.
I am sorry i don't see any excuse for not doing something that is free to do.

lemme recapitulate the deal of the year, aka the cheapest e-entertainment on earth :

-free registration
-full access unlimited to all the sl tools
-no time limit
-no "level limit"
-peoples in world willing to give you cash for nothing (money trees, camping chairs...)

even in RL i have the right torefuse to serve you or sell you something, right?
you never saw a restaurant or a shop expelling a homeless (notthat i compare the unverified to homeless)?

LL decided that they would not put the limitations and motivators to go verified but they give us the tools, lets see what good we can bring from thins experiment

Yes and cut off new market customers in the process.

This is not acceptable to me as a developer. I depend on that first time purchase traffic.

Instead of forcing me to cut off my market, Linden Labs should be forcing that market to provide some means of tangible verification.

Good gods even G rated MMOs out there require some kind of verification information.

Set auto return to 10-15 mins.

Enable no outside scripts.

Ban accounts with no payment on file.

??

Profit!

The first two should have been there anyways.

You aren't being forced to cut off your market. You have the choice to ban or not.

Well, I'm not going to argue with you on that point, I agree. But this is all LL seems willing to do about this, they want open doors, they want to treat SL like the 3d web and sellers are on their own, like individual websites.

If they eventually do what they say they want to, have SL hosted on other servers, then people could at least implement their own controls, but that is very far away, methinks.

Doesn't work having renters on the parcel when I have three seperate groups, one for vendors, one for renters and one for my management group and the land can only be owned by one of the groups. Sure auto-return is smart, not denying that, but I have to manually police this due to the limitations of the system.


Doesn't stop off parcel sensors, severely handicaps my business since my flagship product is a scripted object and most customers stay on the parcel to adjust it.


As stated, this cuts off a percentage of potential new market traffic.

Jeeze, could you trumpet your stupidity any louder?

Briana Dawson

Not the brightest of minds right?

Maybe we should put you on the block too