1.10.5 Release Notes :: Pretty Neat-ish
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Cindy Claveau
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Join date: 16 May 2005
Posts: 2,008
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06-28-2006 09:38
From: Colette Meiji I dunno Cin - to play devils advocate - If your given the option not to put your payment details in - many wont - just for the simple reason that providing payment details to a company who isnt going to bill you is giving them information they do not need. I dont give Cashiers my phone number at stores when i am paying with cash either. In addition - It is possible to survie in SL on next to no money - depends on what you want to look like =-p Sure, it's possible. And I want to acknowledge here that LL's major concern was the number of foreign (non-US) people who couldn't get in regardless. According to the Lindens, the percentage of non-US residents has gone up to 50% since the registration changes. I think that's a good thing. Going back to your point, it's possible to survive in SL with little or no money but it is also possible to do things and get around just fine without accessing Adult content -- which is the chief reason for the verification changes and LL's mention of a way to exclude unverified accounts on our land tools in the future. This is not a measure that discriminates or introduces undue harm on unverified accounts, it's simply a measure of self-protection for those who own/manage adult communities. I like the fact that LL's solution doesn't require anyone to do anything. It's all a matter of choice -- if you want to own land or make large purchases or access adult content, you need to verify your ID with the Lindens. If you just want to explore and socialize and not commit like that, you can do it that way as well. Win/win.
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Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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06-28-2006 09:48
From: Cindy Claveau Sure, it's possible. And I want to acknowledge here that LL's major concern was the number of foreign (non-US) people who couldn't get in regardless. According to the Lindens, the percentage of non-US residents has gone up to 50% since the registration changes. I think that's a good thing. Going back to your point, it's possible to survive in SL with little or no money but it is also possible to do things and get around just fine without accessing Adult content -- which is the chief reason for the verification changes and LL's mention of a way to exclude unverified accounts on our land tools in the future. This is not a measure that discriminates or introduces undue harm on unverified accounts, it's simply a measure of self-protection for those who own/manage adult communities. I like the fact that LL's solution doesn't require anyone to do anything. It's all a matter of choice -- if you want to own land or make large purchases or access adult content, you need to verify your ID with the Lindens. If you just want to explore and socialize and not commit like that, you can do it that way as well. Win/win. Execpt as people fear - that unverified accounts will have predjudice thrown at them - thats a bit of a "lose" Interesting that if its true that a large number are foreign players who couldnt get into SL before were going to make those people feel unwelcome becuase were worried they are under 18. I dont think anyone's first thought when meeting another player should be "is this person old enough for me to cyber" Additionally if Mature content will be off limits to non verified acconts that effective excludes those new foreign players you mention from much of SL. I agree that the Mature content and verification make sense - but if LL decides you can get an account without it - Then they shouldnt take half measures - Either let people in w/o verification. OR - Require verification.
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Frans Charming
You only need one Frans
Join date: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,847
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06-28-2006 09:49
From: Baba Yamamoto Gonna have to get used to reaching between CTRL and ` now ;0 Yea me too, any idea why they did this?
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Kitsunami Chu
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2006
Posts: 9
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06-28-2006 10:04
Im just a noob to sl, and unverified. But yea, it will create prejustice. For example: Yea, im 18. But just because im 18 it does not mean i have acess to a credit card. I have extremely old fashioned parents who believe that i should "save up for uni" this means i dont get at my funds for another year or so, nor my cred card. Why dont i borrow my parents ? Heck, they dont believe in the internet and will not buy anything off it or let me near the card. So im gonna be unverified. Now , someone will see me and what are they going to think with this new addition ? "Underage, dont want to talk to them" etc, etc. Im just hoping it wont get people to be prejustice against us "free" people. Im just as hard working as the rest of you, i have a job ingame, i create my own things and "try" to sell them. Dont judge us all by some others actions !! On a sidenote: Banning is gonna be so bad..most areas are logged as mature in Furnation, and if they ban unverified i cant get to 3/4 places i hang at. Which sucks. Although if banning happens, at least i can earn L$ for a few months before verifieng finally. NOTE: would anyone be interested in a black t-shirt with the words "Got Fox ?" and a pic of a adorable looking purple fox on the front ? 
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Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
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06-28-2006 10:16
I'd still talk to you. but I'm more likely to eject you if you were to, say, rez without permission or attach a weapon.
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Kitsunami Chu
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2006
Posts: 9
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06-28-2006 10:24
See, prejustice  I tend to wear my shortswords/katana/greatsword alot. I do have weaponry in my invent but i dont take it out. As to rezzing, im 4 days old...im gonna guess that means building. I dont do any of them things and wouldnt either.
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Nyoko Salome
kittytailmeowmeow
Join date: 18 Jul 2005
Posts: 1,378
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06-28-2006 10:36
From: Frans Charming Yea me too, any idea why they did this?
lol - i'm sure not just on -my- account but i've rued the bare 'snapshot' key since i frequently toggle in/out of mouseview. and while the 'm' key will toggle mouseview, it doesn't reset the camera over your shoulder, if you've been moving it around the room - only the 'esc' key will reset the camera position to 'over the shoulder'.
sooo, frequently, i'd find myself taking inadvertant snapshots - and even if you cancel the snapshot save, you still make the motion and 'polaroid' sound, and you're stuck trying to explain to whoever's in front of ya that you -didn't really- take their picture, sorry...:\
personally, glad they added an extra level of protection for that shortcut... sorry that it's not something you like!!
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Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
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06-28-2006 10:38
Nyoko, that's my guess. I do that all the time too. Stupid me. Thanks LL!
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Amber Sleeper
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Join date: 3 Jan 2006
Posts: 3
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06-28-2006 11:32
From: Cindy Claveau I want to know how anyone can do anything in SL without a few $L? Once they buy $L (presumably from Lindex), they become verified, right? I don't think this discriminates against a class of player at all. Anyone, freebie account or long-time resident, can be verified the moment they provide identification to the Lindens. The ones left out will be those who create an avatar for the express purpose of doing maximum grief for a day or two until a Linden bans them. Meanwhile, their unverified avatar will not be able to get into some areas -- which really doesn't break my heart at all. I have been playing since January...and have never provided more than my cell number...I have not purchased $L and have no plans to. I am on almost every day. I am a shop keeper and rent both a shop and land. I earn my money through making and selling items. I am not here to cause grief or get banned, so even if I have been a productive member of the society I should be baned from some areas because I choose not to spend real money to play?
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
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06-28-2006 11:38
From: Rotary Fan And the Residents Moderators will use account status in making forum moderation decisions, just as they are already doing with account age and number of posts. I see no problem with that.
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Wanda Rich
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Join date: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 320
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06-28-2006 12:04
From: Amber Sleeper I have been playing since January...and have never provided more than my cell number...I have not purchased $L and have no plans to. I am on almost every day. I am a shop keeper and rent both a shop and land. I earn my money through making and selling items. I am not here to cause grief or get banned, so even if I have been a productive member of the society I should be baned from some areas because I choose not to spend real money to play? Just curious...as someone who is enjoying creating and trading in sl, did it never occour to you that it might be a nice gesture to pay a small amount of money to show LL you like the platform they have given you to peddle your stuff?
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Amber Sleeper
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jan 2006
Posts: 3
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06-28-2006 12:18
From: Wanda Rich Just curious...as someone who is enjoying creating and trading in sl, did it never occour to you that it might be a nice gesture to pay a small amount of money to show LL you like the platform they have given you to peddle your stuff? If they want to charge to play fine...I create and sell so that I can buy from others...why do I need to pay for a game that they say is free? I give back by helping others. So I should pay to play or I am ungratefull? If they want to get paid for playing they should charge everyone. I have no problem with the fact that you have to pay to own land. What concerns me is that they seem to be allowing a free membership with no rights. why bother? Regardless...I will wait to see what actually happens. I was responding to the person who implyed that if you were unverified you were a griever. Not to what LL is doing. We really don't know what will happen there.
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Ctarr Huszar
BEYOND TATTOO
Join date: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 125
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06-28-2006 12:34
From: Amber Sleeper I have been playing since January...and have never provided more than my cell number...I have not purchased $L and have no plans to. I am on almost every day. I am a shop keeper and rent both a shop and land. I earn my money through making and selling items. I am not here to cause grief or get banned, so even if I have been a productive member of the society I should be baned from some areas because I choose not to spend real money to play? I would look at when you 'were born' in SL If you were around before the new open end registration, I would feel alot safer that your not going to grief me or my shop. I see these new verifications on ones profile as more of an incentive to actually join into the paying community. Free opened unverified accounts can be a great danger esp when it comes to underage players posing as older ones. All we need is Nightline to come to virtual SL to publicly snag child abusers...lol! (Not really funny because it is very possible). But - yes - this new system in the profiles should prove interesting. I wont judge you, I'll just chat with you instead. 
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