How long until every thread in General starts with "Moved: "
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Zapoteth Zaius
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03-28-2006 07:00
From: Jennyfur Peregrine I don't want to know how many ARs on threads are being sent. I want to know who is sending them and who are the top report abusers... So that I can beat them up side the head with a hardcover version of 1984 and say YOU LIKE THAT?!? YOU LIKE THAT HUH?!?  Lol, I have to say my enquiring mind wants to know who sends them some of the time too.. However I don't have access to such information, unless you sign your abuse reports, which a very small amount of people do..
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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03-28-2006 07:04
From: Reitsuki Kojima But, apparently you do, and apparently you have.
If you don't care, don't post. "I care enough to post and complain about this and call people names, but not enough to try to solve the problem in any meaningful way" doesn't exactly sound very good, but there it is... The point is that the forums have gotten out of hand. LL can't handle moderating them alone. The Resmod program has been flawed from inception. You think they don't know this? I guess more than "not giving a damn beyond complaining about it" is also that I do not want to contribute to making more work for the Linden forum mods than they already have. Its not like I am going to tell them something they arent aware of and its certainly not like anything relevant will be done to actually fix the forum problem. My advice still stands with chaos.
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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03-28-2006 07:05
From: Zapoteth Zaius Lol, I have to say my enquiring mind wants to know who sends them some of the time too..
However I don't have access to such information, unless you sign your abuse reports, which a very small amount of people do.. Aren't they bound to IP addresses and stuff like that?
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-28-2006 07:05
From: Jennyfur Peregrine The point is that the forums have gotten out of hand. LL can't handle moderating them alone. The Resmod program has been flawed from inception. You think they don't know this? I guess more than "not giving a damn beyond complaining about it" is also that I do not want to contribute to making more work for the Linden forum mods than they already have. Its not like I am going to tell them something they arent aware of and its certainly not like anything relevant will be done to actually fix the forum problem. My advice still stands with chaos. Let chaos reign and you will have people complaining about that, though. LL is really in a position where nothing they could possibly do would be a "win" for them.
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Mulch Ennui
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03-28-2006 07:06
From: Zapoteth Zaius To clarify, it doesn't have anything to do with the volume of the reports, or the fact they pile up, its being able to be sent specifically the problem posts in a thread, with each abuse report. The reason yours specifically was moved Mulch, was I, as I'm sure many people, found it very offencive, and people were still ofended by it being there. To repeat myself it can be a you're-damned-if-you-do-and-you're-damned-if-you-don't situation.. If we only move threads in the worst cases we are accused of being a waste of space, and told we ignore abuse reports etc.. If we move the threads we feel warrent moving we get accused of inconsistancy. If we move ALL the threads we get accused of over moderation. I'm aiming for inconsistancy, given those are the only options  I understand your opinion, and you are entitled to it and so am i the current uprising about AV Kids is worthy of parody so I did, then some people can't take a joke, which it was clearly labeled as (as much as any of the last 24 hours threads can be) broadly offensive is one thing, but simply appealing to people who can't view the forums at work because age play doesn't pass their works filters is 100% another story (they should be working, but I guess stealing from the employer is something they don't feel warrents an abuse report) go watch the Zappa videos i posted in off topic anyone who is offended by my words "They are just words" you are too fragile for life if words effect you so. Perhaps you would be happier riding the front grill of a bus?
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03-28-2006 07:08
From: Jennyfur Peregrine Aren't they bound to IP addresses and stuff like that? They might be, but I don't see any of that information on the inbound emails I receieve. And I'm certainly not clever enough to find out how to get to them if its possible 
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03-28-2006 07:11
hehehe, Jennyfur and I agree on a lot of this. And hey - rampant thread AR gang - you can go ahead and AR this thread too. Don't be afraid just because you'll be meta-ARing a thread about yourselves. Don't hold back just because its on topic, you know you can't resist hitting that little button! I think we should have an AR count listed right below our post count. That'll tell you a lot more about who you're dealing with, and make people actually think about whether or not its WORTH increasing their AR count to submit a report instead of doing it in the current "Anonymous Coward" method.  Regards, -Flip
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03-28-2006 07:12
From: Zapoteth Zaius They might be, but I don't see any of that information on the inbound emails I receieve. And I'm certainly not clever enough to find out how to get to them if its possible  Zap: (1) Get a Blackberry. (2) Set to vibrate. (3) Insert into codpiece. (4) Forward your forum email alerts to Blackberry email address.  -Flip
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03-28-2006 07:13
From: FlipperPA Peregrine hehehe, Jennyfur and I agree on a lot of this. And hey - rampant thread AR gang - you can go ahead and AR this thread too. Don't be afraid just because you'll be meta-ARing a thread about yourselves. Don't hold back just because its on topic, you know you can't resist hitting that little button! I think we should have an AR count listed right below our post count. That'll tell you a lot more about who you're dealing with, and make people actually think about whether or not its WORTH increasing their AR count to submit a report instead of doing it in the current "Anonymous Coward" method.  Regards, -Flip how about an "Anonymous Coward" Avatar Title?
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03-28-2006 07:14
From: FlipperPA Peregrine hehehe, Jennyfur and I agree on a lot of this. And hey - rampant thread AR gang - you can go ahead and AR this thread too. Don't be afraid just because you'll be meta-ARing a thread about yourselves. Don't hold back just because its on topic, you know you can't resist hitting that little button! I think we should have an AR count listed right below our post count. That'll tell you a lot more about who you're dealing with, and make people actually think about whether or not its WORTH increasing their AR count to submit a report instead of doing it in the current "Anonymous Coward" method.  Regards, -Flip Good idea, Flip! I wish we could be neg rated for our posts! Wouldn't that add to the fun? 
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03-28-2006 07:14
From: FlipperPA Peregrine Zap: (1) Get a Blackberry. (2) Set to vibrate. (3) Insert into codpiece. (4) Forward your forum email alerts to Blackberry email address.  -Flip this is the 9th time "codpiece" has been used in SL forums ever gratz!
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Zapoteth Zaius
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03-28-2006 07:14
From: FlipperPA Peregrine Zap: (1) Get a Blackberry. (2) Set to vibrate. (3) Insert into codpiece. (4) Forward your forum email alerts to Blackberry email address.  -Flip THEN search the IP addy THEN link it to an avatar? Too much hassle 
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03-28-2006 07:18
From: Jennyfur Peregrine Hooray the stupid people and cry babies are winning.  apparently theyre posting too
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Caliandris Pendragon
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03-28-2006 07:35
From: Jennyfur Peregrine Basically, what it seems like is happening is that Person A does not like Person B who posted XYZ Thread. So Person A reports Person B for their thread then ResMod C has to move said thread to a black hole to compensate the whiny crybaby.
Well...to be honest I can't get worked up over it. It isn't as though the threads are moved to the outer darkness of the Double Glazing Fault Finder's Monthly or something. Many people I know click on new posts on arrival in the forums and read the threads they are interested in. As long as they have descriptive titles, they'll read it or not, irrespective of the thread or foum they have been sent to. I think that generating work by reporting threads simply to put pressure on the Redmods is a childish and thoughtless thing to do. It amazes me that some people claim to be adults and then behave so stupidly. Personally I'd like to see a nominal charge of 100 lindens for reporting a thread, all proceeds to go to the MS charity that was publicised a few days ago. At least then some good would come of it. And it seems to me that if resis stopped posting in the wrong places and reporting each other for aforesaid posting, there wouldn't be so much drama about the threads moving etc. Although I still don't understand what the problem is. Cali
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03-28-2006 07:42
Not a bad idea, Cali...starting a thread should cost L$ too! What a great sink it would be. Of course, everyone would just move to SLUniverse then, which is probably what should happen anyway.
I think having an "AR Count" beneath everyone's post cost would curtail this activity quite a bit. There's enough anonymity in SL and on the Internet without being able to anonymously spam the ResMods.
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03-28-2006 07:44
From: FlipperPA Peregrine And hey - rampant thread AR gang - you can go ahead and AR this thread too. Don't be afraid just because you'll be meta-ARing a thread about yourselves. Don't hold back just because its on topic, you know you can't resist hitting that little button! I think we should have an AR count listed right below our post count. That'll tell you a lot more about who you're dealing with, and make people actually think about whether or not its WORTH increasing their AR count to submit a report instead of doing it in the current "Anonymous Coward" method.  Regards, -Flip If people are going to AR threads/posts at least have the balls and/or clit to own up to it and not be an "anonymous coward" as it were. I mean, we can still guess who you are in the meantime. Agreed on the AR Count thing. That was the one good thing about negative ratings was seeing how many negs were given. You could vet out the gobshites easily.... hmm 100 positive ratings given and 287490723947 negative ratings given. What does that tell you?
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Mulch Ennui
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03-28-2006 07:56
From: Jennyfur Peregrine If people are going to AR threads/posts at least have the balls and/or clit to own up to it and not be an "anonymous coward" as it were. I mean, we can still guess who you are in the meantime.
funny, but you can see on the who's online section who is busy(body) reporting... I'm Italian, you know what we do to Narcs
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03-28-2006 08:18
From: Mulch Ennui funny, but you can see on the who's online section who is busy(body) reporting...
I'm Italian, you know what we do to Narcs That is pretty funny, it might be time to set up cURL with PHP to do a screenscrape every thirty seconds, and keep a tally of how many hits each avatar gets. Fairly easy to do... Regards, -Flip
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03-28-2006 08:21
From: FlipperPA Peregrine That is pretty funny, it might be time to set up cURL with PHP to do a screenscrape every thirty seconds, and keep a tally of how many hits each avatar gets. Fairly easy to do...
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Mulch Ennui
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03-28-2006 08:22
From: Taco Rubio Oh good idea, please do. and make all results public please =)
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03-28-2006 08:56
From: Jennyfur Peregrine If people are going to AR threads/posts at least have the balls and/or clit to own up to it and not be an "anonymous coward" as it were. I mean, we can still guess who you are in the meantime. Agreed on the AR Count thing. That was the one good thing about negative ratings was seeing how many negs were given. You could vet out the gobshites easily.... hmm 100 positive ratings given and 287490723947 negative ratings given. What does that tell you? I've got clit, and in case you think it is me, it is not. I spent six months NOT AR'ing things, and was told repeatedly I couldn't criticize the system unless I started AR'ing, but AR'ing always struck me as a kindergarten sort of thing to do. I prefer to use reason. I also don't like doing things anonymously, so when I did start AR'ing things, I always said I was AR'ing something, and was told repeatedly (and none to kindly) to do it quietly and not announce it. So I said I would do it quietly. I didn't AR a whole heck of a lot during that period. Most things, in fact, I didn't. Occasionally I would get incensed (usually because someone AR'd me), and would AR right and left for a day. Two, maybe three times I did that. And I never AR'd anybody who posted in a thread I started, on principal. I figured if I started something, I could take the heat. Then Satchmo advised me that AR's from a certain few would be disregarded anyway. Since I always sign my AR's, that probably partially explained why my AR'ing this and that "fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you twat" didn't do a bit of good. So I withdrew from the stinking system. Then, the other day, seeing more sexist aggressive intimidating horrible personal attacks that NO civilized place would allow, I broke my vow and AR'd them - there were two of them. And I announced that I was AR'ing them. Of course, when I last looked, they were still there. In the case at hand, I agree Flipper's thread should have been moved to either events or announcements, but I was not one of those who reported it. Given the nonsense that has been going on in General for the past couple of days, I would think the nice thing would be not to take advantage of it and/or make it worse, but to try to cooperate. coco
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03-28-2006 09:01
From: FlipperPA Peregrine Zap: (1) Get a Blackberry. (2) Set to vibrate. (3) Insert into codpiece. (4) Forward your forum email alerts to Blackberry email address.  -Flip I got 80 something abuse report emails while I was asleep last night, Flip you could be on to something *me wanders off to see what she can do about getting a blackberry*
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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03-28-2006 09:12
The grand irony is that I have NO idea how to abuse report a thread. 
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03-28-2006 09:20
From: FlipperPA Peregrine Seriously? We're 30% of the way there.
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