Young Ones in the ADULT grid ?

I would file an Abuse Report, then IM a Linden in-world.

Get the minor talking, if you can, and if you get tem to admit they are a minor, copy and paste that admission into the AR report.

If the kid seems like they just didn't realize it mattered, you could try talking them into contacting Live Help and turning themselves in, for relocation ot the Teen Grid. But live help won't do anything if you call them yourself.

Contact a Linden if you can, and see if you can get them to 'escort the minor out'. Odds are fairly good they won't act immediately, but they might.

I don't care anymore. None of the people i filed a report on have been removed, so it's obvius to me that LL doesn't care. Also since it's totally free to make a Adult grid account, but requires a credit card to create one for Teen Grid i'm sure thats a good reason for them to come here... >.>

Until SL reaches the magical mystical number LL is looking for, I wouldn't expect much help outta them.

File an abuse report, primarily.

If the underager requests transfer to the teen grid, contact Live Help.

It's not clear what the age-verification process is after that.

As for reporting teens on the adult grid.. it does work... someone was spouting off in open chat at a newbie area that they were under 18.. OPEN chat, remember... and they were banned.. then came back on as an alt, openly admitted they were the banned resident.. and a linden stepped in and banned the alt and the hardware sig. I feel bad for the person who was banned, they were a good member of the newbie aream had no problems with this person before they admitted they were underage.. but.. rules are rules.. and when you break the rules.. don't whine or threaten "revenge" on the person who didn't even report you when you get caught..

Damn, I thought this was going to be about someone spotting Neil mooching around where he shouldn't...

"Heey man, it's the Pigs!"

Aye, this is just plain STUPID!

CC required for a teen to prove the person ISN'T an adult when you have to BE an adult to have a CC (legally). AND making it easier to access the Main Grid by NOT requiring ANY information. Sheesh!

Whoever thought that up at LL needs jackslapped to knock the stupid out of them.

~Jessy

http://www.ep.tc/howtospotajap/howto03.html

http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/streicher/Mushroom-02.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

I hope you get my point.

No. Because this isn't discrimination. This is a desire to protect our children by having them in the proper area. You don't allow teens into bars, or to buy cigarettes, or to do anything else restricted by the Under 18 Laws.

Some want teens out because of the things they themselves do. Others are discrimative toward teens, citing the rise in griefing. The majority want to prevent teens from accessing the Mian Grid to protect the teens.

If you think that is wrong...*shrugs*

~Jessy

Help > Abuse report... "zomg" in subject field, etc.

Copy and paste their admission into the entry field if you didn't AR at the time of your chat with this person. (I believe ARs automatically send a chat log from the current session.)

see that right there confuses me... Im not against unverifieds.. but that just is not logical..

Sure, but in WW2 there was a need to distinguish between who we were helping and who we were fighting. And I bet if you asked some wacky nazis if it was important to them to identify a Jew, they would say yes. McCarthy thought it was of the utmost importance to find communists. I bet if you asked him at the time whether the threat of communism or the threat of children buying cigarettes was more important, he would say the former. Don't listen to me, though. I was just trying to let you all know what you sound like.

P.S. Here's an idea, how about losing the emphasis on sex and maybe SL would be a place we wouldn't mind our children seeing. o.O

I seriously doubt sex is going away anytime soon. There are way to many people into it (myself excluded) in SL.

As for your comments associating the desire to keep kids off the main grid with putting Japanese Americans into internment camps, well, they do say ignorance is bliss. You must be pretty happy.

Well, you have a point on the sex thing.. But the worm is already out of the can.. so you can't get rid of sex on sl...

what all you eu ppl need to do is to come up with a low cost effective way to verfiy all of your ages.. and maybe than we can implement verification again.

I don't like to insult people I haven't met before, especially if they call me ignorant, but you sound sort of like an idiot. Please don't take that the wrong way. I came to this conclusion after considering that I made the connection between trying to "out" kids, even when they aren't doing anything to us, to silly people trying to dissociate themselves from "others" throughout history.

I thought it didn't need to be explained, but you proved me wrong. In fact, I must have screwed the links up, because none of the links I intended to post had anything to do with internment of Japanese Americans.

But upon further consideration, I realized you're an idiot. That explains all the discrepencies in logic, right?

So, in reality, YOU associated keeping kids off the main grid to internment camps, and I'll let you decide if your own logic applies to you...

Because, you know, I personally don't think you're ignorant. As I said, I think you're an idiot.

You'll have to wait until the rest of the world does too. A lot around the world don't have credit cards.

One strange situation: A friend of mine from a very (very) rich family could not get a credit card because he had no salary, he wasn't working then (and actually doesn't have to work a day in his life). The family was so rich that I think no one had a CC, hence he could not even get an extension card.

As a result he couldn't play any MMOGs.

Well I see someone needs a hug... better be careful though... without age verification, you might be touching a minor.

You can insult me all you wish, it's all good. The further you go with it, the more likely you are to get suspended from the forums, and your post gave me a good giggle.

Your post which I replied to was rather odd. You are more worried about "outing" minors than you are about protecting people from litigation, or children from assault.

Your comments simply strengthen my belief in keeping the kids off the main grid.

My, that's a tall horse you're riding. Y'know, there are a lot of us who think sexual fantasy is, to quote Phil Foglio, "the most fun you can have wihtout penguins". Sex isn't 'going away', nor should it. The solution isn't banning sex, the solution is doing the best we can to make sure all people involved are mature and consensual adults.

Of course, a big problem is that one's physical maturity doesn't necessarily match with one's mental maturity.



Yeah, that is pretty ignorant, Teen SL is not about stifling expression, it's about freeing expression. Teenagers should be able to be teenagers, and not pressured to become miniature adults. They have enough to that in the real world. That's the reason for Teen SL.

Oh, and if we think Teen SL is some kind of sexually pure and innocent version of the main grid, then we've obviously forgotten what it was like to be a teenager.

There's an easy solution to that, Aodhan...The debit card. Almost anyone can get one of these handy little cards, with the Visa/MC logo. No need for credit checks, just open up a checking account at a bank.

Considering he's very rich, I think he can manage the $100 initial deposit. Just let him know I only ask for a big sack of money for my advising fee!

I wasn't arguing the removal of adult material, but rather pointing out to the person I was replying to, that banning it was most likely never going to happen. It wouldn't bother me if was banned, or if it wasn't banned. It just isn't my thing. I just want to ensure kids aren't getting into the adult population. The best parent can't be there 100% of the time.




I agree with you 100% on this one.

Okay, I'm quoting Liona, but I'm still going to address Mr. Burnman. First of all, most of the arguments against minors in SL is "think of the children!" which, by istelf, is a pretty poor argument, but when you couple that with "protect them from... ourselves," it get's rediculous. SL excludes minors because of legal issues, not expression or protection or whatever BS you're going to throw my way. I think if LL didn't have to deal with legal issues, they would allow teens on the "adult" grid. And btw, the only thing that justifies that title is the sexual content. Just read the forums.

Why do you continue to call me ignorant for one person's misinterpretation of my point? See, I'm not going to turn that around and call you people ignorant, because not getting it after I explained it twice is not ignorance, it's stupidity. (BTW, something you don't get over with age.)

I never even mentioned expression. Why do you need to try to read so far into what I wrote? I'm against witch hunts. LL didn't (to my knowledge) ask you to seek out minors, so why care? Let LL do what it has to do and worry about yourselves. What if LL started a policy against sexually sick fucks like 90% of you? What would you do then? Not so fun when it's after you, is it?

So why don't all of you get off your high horses and worry about your own issues, which god knows, you fucking have.

By your own advice, you shouldn't even be replying to this thread

The cursing makes you sound intelligent though

Well we're neither in the US or UK. He's also working now and probably finally has his own card.

Disclaimer: Before you continue reading, please put yourself in a mindset that will accept that there are people who do not feel the way you do about things. We can't use ourselves as typical examples of every single case. Before you say "I don't feel that way" remember that someone out there might.

Returning to the topic at hand, the Lindens stated that part of the reason for opening verification is that people were balking at giving payment info even if they won't be charged.

We have to remember that SL is such a different environment that a lot people would be more apprehensive than usual to give out payment info. I was a similar case. I'd known about SL since early 2004. But what kept me from signing on is the $10 account creation. True that's not a big amount but it was enough for me not to want to check it out. That's spending $10 on something I'm not sure I'll want to keep. The fear was entering and after just maybe 2 or 3 hours decide that I don't want it. That's $10 wasted. Signing up for SL is not the same as signing up for an MMOG. MMOG content is static compared to SL and as such it's easy to believe reviews. But SL is so dynamic an environment in both concept and execution that it will put people on unsure footing. When SL removed the $10 fee the psychological barrier for my entry went down. I still needed to give CC info which I did. I was not apprehensive about the CC info because I heard about SL from a friend who was playing.

For some people the psychological barrier is even higher, they don't want to give CC info because they're afraid of being charged without their approval. This is Linden Lab ... not Electronic Arts. Most people have never heard of Linden Lab. Can you blame them for thinking it might be a scam?

That's what Linden Lab faced with the two previous registration systems:

1. People who are apprehensive to spend $10 to try things out.
2. People who are unsure about giving CC info out.

Even with the joining fee waived, the back-off rate was reported to be very high when CC info was asked. A lot of those were international.

Speaking from outside the US and EU what adult verification methods currently do is block many foreigners, many of whom are adult.

With the verification system in place SL had nearly the security of an adult site. But SL is not an adult site. Most of the content is not adult-oriented. We have a lot of PG areas and PG content.

The verification method as it stood was keeping too many people out, whether it be by psychological barrier or because of limitations that many people outside the US and EU face.

Unfortunately freeing up the registration process led to more underaged people on the grid. They were there even before, and there are more now.

But Linden Lab has already chosen to lift the requirements because of the two reasons I specified. This rationale has been explicitly stated. It's about numbers but not only numbers. They wanted to reach a bigger international audience. The registration numbers prove that it worked. Where previously it was 75:25 with 25 being international, it's now 50:50 (or maybe even higher). If LL wants SL to be the internet platform of the future, that move was needed, they need to increase acceptance.

This now leaves LL and the residents with a new-old problem. Age policing. It's an old problem on the internet and is often in the news, for example YouTube has adult material that is accessible by anyone. I'm not registered with YT and I can find them, just as the news article mentioned.

I think we all have to accept the fact that the old registration system will never return. For SL to become the future of the internet, it has to become like the internet in demographics. That's what's happening right now. Bugs aside, take a look at the issues we and LL face inside SL and tell me you can't see the same problems the internet faces there. We have underaged kids. We have greifers and asshats (analogy, blackhat hackers). We have intrusive advertising.

I don't like those problems, neither do you, and neither does LL. But I also realize that if SL is to become the future it HAS to undergo those problems. The human immune system does not protect us from new diseases. When we get a new unfamiliar disease it tries to adapt and find a cure. That's the same thing happening in SL. Without experiencing the problems, the system cannot become more robust. As much as we don't like those problems, we can't let SL remain antiseptic either, it's not in our best interest.

Instead we need to study these problems and work with LL to evolve a solution. The current push restrictions was born from the past crisis. We need to keep coming up with solutions. If we can't, at least keep citing our observations until someone can find a solution.

Returning the registration system will not solve our problems. It will just make the world antiseptic and it will be just a matter of time before the problems explode again. All the registration system does is slow down the occurence of the problems, it doesn't remove them or cure them.

Instead of screaming, I want us to put our heads together. I want to see cures. I want to see robust cures. Registration is the medical equivalent of a plastic bubble, it's artificial protection that isn't even secure. Up to today, two months after the registration was open, it still remains that all the times I was griefed it was by someone who was verified. Don't fool yourself into thinking registration will protect you.

At this time I don't see a way by which you can keep kids out. However, see my next post (the one after my reply to Liona Clio).