Is this just WRONG or is it me?

No offense but I am tired of hearing about auto-return as "the answer" to stuff like this.

If you live in a decent community and have friends, you cant have autoreturn on. People come over and leave stuff at your house like their favorite chair or maybe something they were showing you or that you both are working on.
You do the same at their house.

Autoreturning objects, no matter what the time you set it on is NOT and answer unless you are some kind of egomaniacal recluse.

What really bugs me though is places like SLExchange allowing stuff to be sold that has no purpose other than to violate the TOS or grief people. They have tons of this stuff for sale and SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES (instead of hiding behind the "we just sell it cause people want it" crap!)

It's not that practical to have listeners covering hundreds of metres of vertical space, particularly on a large property. Besides, maybe it's more convenient to have individual devices listening to individual people. Say you want to tag someone specifically - instead of having to set up a big email system between all your listeners to tell them who to record, you tag a specific person with a specific following listener. Or say you only want to use the system rarely - having always-on listeners is needlessly laggy then.

Actually no.

"Secret" recording of conversations is against the TOS, even if it's in your own home.

One of the popular uses of the devices is (foolish), people who record what people say in their house when they are offline as there is a fairly moral argument for this capability, but technically even that is against the TOS.

The majority of such passive recording is done by businesses who record what you say when you are in their stores. This is a 100% complete violation of the TOS that people have been reprimanded and warned/banned for before, but it's so prevalent that you can fairly assume in any store that what you say is recorded.

That's why when I get frustrated with someone's crap vendor or poor store design I always say it out loud and not in IM even if I am the only one in the place.

Yeah I just checked and some of these are being advertised as:
"It's useful for spying on people that like to talk shit behind your back. "

Doesnt sound like RP to me.

Just out of curiosity, can you cite proof or examples of such an event occurring? I dont doubt that it's been done, but nothing says loving like examples straight from the oven.

- Newfie

YEah. To spy on someone without knowledge or consent is against TOS. It's also immoral. And... you can probably actually supeona the username from LL and either sue/convict the offender. The recent internet anonymity laws will potentially open a floodgate of such lawsuits. A recent case involving someone that was 'attacked' in an AOL chatroom may set precendents. Think twice before you start spying, trolling someone, or looking into someone's background or daily life. You might be on the business end of lawsuit, if not a conviction or a shotgun.

Recording what people say in your store? Heh!

What a depressing image - shopkeepers logging in, reading through lines of boring, lovey-dovey conversation, only to sting themselves on whatever random comments people have made? Lovely way to spend the evening? Meh.

I wonder if such feedback would be accurate, though.

I put stairways in my houses for sale - and more than one person has said directly to me: why don't you leave the stairs out and use teleporters?

I say to take the stairs out - it's very easy to 'floor over' the hole.

Usually people buy anyway. I do see the occasional teleporter added, but I haven't seen even ONE case of anyone taking the stairs out.

What people say, and how they spend are two totally different things.

Well if your talking court of law examples I have none except that there have been threads I have read in the past where such events were discussed/exposed and (again as far as what was stated in the thread goes), the persons in question were disciplined.

I know of a coulpe of stores where every time I go there, (as different avatar each time), the owner appears like magic within a minute every time, and also appears to know everything I have said up to the point they arrive. At the very least there are AV *detectors* in many stores as this "owner shows up" phenomenon is very common in my experience.

I have also talked to a couple of people who own stores that flat out tell me that they do it, and seen the occasional product like a bathing area or a house or rental unit that has a built in chat logger as one of it's "features." These are fairly easy enough to find for sale in my experience and I know some builders who will offer to put a chat logger in place if you are buying a house, spa or store.

The point is, that for both the buyer and the seller it's good business and a value added thing to have (which is probably why it happens). But it is still against the TOS big time.

I love the people in SL! "ah, I just made the bomb, did not drop it"

Was at a club a few nights ago and the places was repeatly bombed and scripted. Nothing was done to the perp who did this! One that acted so STUPID that could not have made the devices used, including the cloak that hid him!

I find this stupid also.

I have a lot of people that walk around my property when I am not there, and a lot of trouble from griefers from time to time so i considered putting a chat logger in my house to record what was said when i wasn't around.

I eventually decided against it, for the same reasons.

First, who wants to read all that crap? And secondly, even if it's your bestest freinds, if you spy on them you know your gonna hear something that will drive a giant stake between you. Spying on people never leads to anythign good IMO. People say things in private, even about friends, that they would never say to your face and there are good reasons for that!

I am so glad that someone else feels the way I do. I've had so many people "warn" me that I don't have autoreturn on on my own land, and I can't understand why I'd want to. It's not a sandbox, where people are expecting to have stuff vanish randomly. I'll return stuff from people I don't know but I don't want to have to put all my friends in my land group just so they can leave stuff around!

It's like the people who think it's perfectly normal and reasonable to have access controls up on their land all the time, so people walking around my property see these big "red line" barriers on my neighbor's land. I know the arguments for it, but I think they're bogus. SL property is not like physical property, and going postal over "trespass" is like getting mad because people you don't know are visiting your home page on the web.

Hmmm...

I wonder, maybe Linden Labs could limit those red lines so they don't show up until you're within a few meters... so they serve as a notice, but don't spoil the view for everyone in draw distance.

I use to live next to a sandbox and found this handy... right click on your land and select my land then go to object tab. You will see "object owners"... click the refresh button next to it. In the box below will apper owners of objects on your land. Highlight those you do not want or do not know then click button that says "return to owner"