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"Find" versus "Search" - the ultimate battle.

SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-07-2006 21:48
They are changing the label on the Find button to say "Search" instead.

I have two things to say regarding this:

First a question: Why do people do this sort of thing? I am reminded of ants trying to move a piece of dirt; they sort of work together except they push in opposite directions almost as much as they push in unison.

Second: I think there needs to be a big heated debate about it.

Some of you should pick the "Forever Find" side and some should pick the "Search Rocks!" side and have at each other.

I will watch.
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Baba Yamamoto
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07-07-2006 22:06
Find implies something is there and it will be found... search is more like... maybe i'll get lucky ;0
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-07-2006 22:32
From: Baba Yamamoto
Find implies something is there and it will be found... search is more like... maybe i'll get lucky ;0

So this is a case of expectation management.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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07-07-2006 22:37
It's also a matter of common usage

Find and Search are used in word processors and the like

But on the web Search is the more used term (see forum tool bar et al).
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Warda Kawabata
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07-07-2006 23:09
I think the new search button rocks. I mean, with the find button, I never actually found what I was looking for half the time. But when I search, I always succeed it doing the act of searching. Works like a charm.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-07-2006 23:12
From: Baba Yamamoto
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You just got this account's ten votes.
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Darkfoxx Bunyip
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07-08-2006 04:44
I think there should be both buttons: Search for when you want to search fror something nice or fun, and find if you realy need to find stuff...

usually, one fist searches and then finds. They're linked unseperably.

On the other hand... I know people who search and earch and search... tho never find *anything*
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07-08-2006 04:55
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
You just got this account's ten votes.



My spam crusade succeeds again! ;0
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crucial Armitage
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07-08-2006 05:17
*IN my deep announcer voice*

Its early in the fight but it looks like search has find on the ropes. search came out strong and seemed to dominate right form the get go. but its still early in the match and can still go either way.
Schwanson Schlegel
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07-08-2006 05:46
This will be the end of SL as we know it. Mark my words, if LL makes this change SL will cease to exist in 3 months.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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07-08-2006 06:25
Both of these terms, find, and search, are indicative of the teki wiki FIC favoritism, spouted by the fascist bully boys at KremLinden Labs.
All you hectoring forum bullies .....
Ahhh, I cant keep it up, LOL.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-08-2006 07:45
From: Schwanson Schlegel
This will be the end of SL as we know it. Mark my words, if LL makes this change SL will cease to exist in 3 months.

That is true, however, more exclamation marks and some uppercase letters would make your post not only much more effective but these stylisic variations actually make the words to which they are applied truer.

THIS WILL BE THE END OF SL AS WE KNOW IT!!!!

Mark my words, if LL makes this change SL WILL CEASE TO EXIST IN 3 MONTHS!!!!!!!!

Hee hee, when I went to the preview and tried to do a find I couldn't find the button at first, even right after reading the preview notes.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-08-2006 07:49
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Both of these terms, find, and search, are indicative of the teki wiki FIC favoritism, spouted by the fascist bully boys at KremLinden Labs.
All you hectoring forum bullies .....
Lucipher Baphomet has come in over the ropes and started wailing on both Find and Search. Excellent.
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Wil Weiland
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07-08-2006 08:00
So, will the shortcut be changed to CTRL+S instead of CTRL+F?

What about "Search & Find"? Or perhaps "Search & Maybe Find"? The title should preanticipate the result of the following search and indicate "Found" or "Nothing to be found" before submitting the search itself. Quantum computation for SL? In one metaverse, you find something, in another you don't.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-08-2006 08:11
Perhaps "Seek" or "Root Around For" ?
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Baba Yamamoto
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07-08-2006 15:49
This is totally not related to anything... You can change the button text in like 30 seconds ;0 all the text of menus are in xml files in your SL directory.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-08-2006 16:31
From: Baba Yamamoto
This is totally not related to anything... You can change the button text in like 30 seconds ;0 all the text of menus are in xml files in your SL directory.

This would be, in the standard windows SL install, in "C:\Program Files\SecondLife\app_settings\panel_toolbar.xml" which has a bunch of stuff like the stuff below :

CODE
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="US-ASCII" standalone="yes"?>
<panel
name="panel_toolbar"
can_resize="false"
can_minimize="false"
can_close="true"
width="1024"
height="26"
>
<button
name="im_btn"
label="IM"
tooltip="Instant Message your friends."
left="0"
bottom="0"
width="50"
height="24"
font="SansSerif"
/>
<button
name="chat_btn"
label="Chat"
tooltip="Talk to people nearby.\nClick Chat then History to see what has been said."
left="0"
bottom="0"
width="50"
height="24"
font="SansSerif"
/>

To change the text on the chat button, for example, you'd edit that file in a simple text editor, altering the line that says "label="Chat"" to say, for example "label="Barf"".

Way to bring the pretend senseless forum battle party down Sue.
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Baba Yamamoto
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07-09-2006 15:21
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07-09-2006 15:27
F*ND YOU! :mad:
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Io Zeno
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07-09-2006 15:34
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
They are changing the label on the Find button to say "Search" instead.


STOP THE MADNESS!!

:mad:
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07-09-2006 15:36
ooh can we have a search and destroy button too? i promise to only use it on greefers. heeheehee
Siobhan Taylor
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07-09-2006 15:38
I want a nice shiny new Locate button... which would totally rock, so much more than your inferior Search and Find solutions.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-09-2006 16:27
From: Siobhan Taylor
I want a nice shiny new Locate button... which would totally rock, so much more than your inferior Search and Find solutions.

I don't have a Locate button at hand, but here's one idea being considered for the new version arriving Wednesday.
:p
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Richie Waves
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07-09-2006 16:45
From: Warda Kawabata
I think the new search button rocks. I mean, with the find button, I never actually found what I was looking for half the time. But when I search, I always succeed it doing the act of searching. Works like a charm.



rofl.. with this attitude you could be president! hell Im voting :D
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-09-2006 16:59
From: Wil Weiland
So, will the shortcut be changed to CTRL+S instead of CTRL+F?

Yes, since this should lead to accidentally bringing up the Search dialog when trying to take a snapshot, sure to bring great delight. ;)
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