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Robin Linden
Linden Lifer
Join date: 25 Nov 2002
Posts: 1,224
07-24-2006 13:38
From: Starax Statosky
Robin is great. Perhaps she just needs some assistance. We need a Batman Linden!.


Starax you made my day! (As I, with Lewis, wipe off my screen!)

First, when I talked about bad luck, I didn't mean to minimize the problems we had last week, or to blame them on something beyond our control. However, I do think it's important to draw a distinction between downtime that resulted from a bug we introduced during a release (bad, and conceivably avoidable with more extensive testing) and downtime that resulted from a decision to try to protect the community from an exploit (also bad, but a critical problem requiring an urgent response). Many of you weren't drawing that distinction, and I think you should. The bad luck comes in when both happen within 5 days of each other.

Second, thanks to those of you who said such nice things about me. I know things aren't always what we would *all* hope they might be, and I truly appreciate the support!
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
07-24-2006 13:43
From: Robin Linden
Starax you made my day! (As I, with Lewis, wipe off my screen!)

First, when I talked about bad luck, I didn't mean to minimize the problems we had last week, or to blame them on something beyond our control. However, I do think it's important to draw a distinction between downtime that resulted from a bug we introduced during a release (bad, and conceivably avoidable with more extensive testing) and downtime that resulted from a decision to try to protect the community from an exploit (also bad, but a critical problem requiring an urgent response). Many of you weren't drawing that distinction, and I think you should. The bad luck comes in when both happen within 5 days of each other.

Second, thanks to those of you who said such nice things about me. I know things aren't always what we would *all* hope they might be, and I truly appreciate the support!


Post reported for TOS violations.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-24-2006 13:47
The exploit was putting into use the results of a bug, wasn't it? So it was downtime due to a bug introduced in a release.
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
07-24-2006 13:51
From: cinda Hoodoo
Really lets be frank, the test grids are a marketing tool, they really dont want us to find bugs or there would be points and prizes for them!! Rite ?? am i rite ??

I guess they could be considered that, but they *are* for testing. Let's face it: there are many more of us using the 'platform' than there are Lindens programming it, so it would benefit everyone if more of us would use the preview grid to try and break things.
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Devlin Gallant
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Posts: 5,948
07-24-2006 13:53
But, reporting a thread might actually get it deleted. I would rather that folks see what an assclown the op and/or other posters might be.
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cinda Hoodoo
my 2cents worth
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 951
07-24-2006 14:00
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
The exploit was putting into use the results of a bug, wasn't it? So it was downtime due to a bug introduced in a release.


IF LINDENS DIDNT HAVE BAD LUCK, THEYD HAVE NO LUCK AT ALL...LOL :D
Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
07-24-2006 14:03
From: Devlin Gallant
But, reporting a thread might actually get it deleted. I would rather that folks see what an assclown the op and/or other posters might be.

That's insulting to clowns.
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Karsten Rutledge
Linux User
Join date: 8 Feb 2005
Posts: 841
07-24-2006 14:04
I dunno, I'm gonna say this thread is disgusting. Robin is what, the vice president (or one of them) isn't she? Unfortunately, it's the job of managers/leaders to take the shit when stuff goes bad. I've been in that position myself and it's no fun at all. Robin was apologizing on behalf of the company, I think she should get a little slack. It's not her fault personally, and it's likely no one person's fault specifically.

I'm also willing to cut them some slack on this 'major exploit.' Once discovered it was pretty severe, but come on, talk about a bizarre and obscure trigger for it. Even a rigorously thorough in-house testing process wouldn't have ever figured this one out, that's why they need us on the preview grid. I sure don't recall anyone saying 'Oh gee, I reported this exploit on the preview grid...' It was just too obscure. I also think they did admirably in jumping on it. They apparently drug the whole dev staff out of bed to come in and fix it, including the vice president of development.

Not to say I don't have any beef with LL over this update, but I just can't pin this one on them.
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Leyla Firefly
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Join date: 8 Aug 2004
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07-24-2006 14:05
From: Robin Linden

First, when I talked about bad luck, I didn't mean to minimize the problems we had last week, or to blame them on something beyond our control. However, I do think it's important to draw a distinction between downtime that resulted from a bug we introduced during a release (bad, and conceivably avoidable with more extensive testing) and downtime that resulted from a decision to try to protect the community from an exploit (also bad, but a critical problem requiring an urgent response). Many of you weren't drawing that distinction, and I think you should. The bad luck comes in when both happen within 5 days of each other.

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English isnt my native but reading your answer, Robin, i cant but frown at it.

I am fed up not because of last weekend, but about the whole mess thats going on since update 1.10. I'm not an american, i never sugarcoat, nor say things i dont mean.
It's time you and your team get to work on this and show professionality because the lack of that shown lately is where the 'bad luck' really is!
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Selador Cellardoor
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Join date: 16 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,082
07-24-2006 14:08
From: Foolish Frost
<frowns>

I find this thread, though not all posts in it, distasteful.

Posting on a company website the name of an employee to abuse them is never a good thing.

<walks off>


Yes. Not often I agree with you, but I do now.

Not only that, I demand that Robin be sent off for cloning immediately!
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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Join date: 28 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,605
07-24-2006 14:17
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Post reported for TOS violations.
:p


Hmm, yeah. Sorry, Robin, but you did name names. We'll have to AR you. :p
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
07-24-2006 14:22
I quite concur with all of the gentlemen and ladies who have been expressing support for poor Ms Robin. Please, residents of Second Life and forum contributors. A little decorum if you will. There is no need to engage in such personal abuse, unless Robin enters one's property and eats one's prim baby whilst laughing, a situation which I am not aware of having been reported but which would indeed demand some level of criticism.
stpaulsub Clio
Fear the Bubblegum Gurl!
Join date: 2 Sep 2004
Posts: 607
07-24-2006 14:38
From: Hiro Pendragon

I also think Linden Lab needs to mandate that all employees spend X number of hours a week in world, exploring and playing, on non-Linden alts, as paid time.

Some more thoughts about the crashing and Relay for Life on my blog:
http://secondtense.blogspot.com/2006/07/relay-for-life-and-exploits.html



OMG you are my newest hero!! this may be teh best idea i have read on here in a very very long time! :)
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
07-24-2006 14:54
From: Leyla Firefly

I am fed up not because of last weekend, but about the whole mess thats going on since update 1.10. I'm not an american, i never sugarcoat, nor say things i dont mean.
It's time you and your team get to work on this and show professionality because the lack of that shown lately is where the 'bad luck' really is!

I think that everyone should take a step back and cut LL some slack. Does it suck that bugs like this get through? Yes. Are there things that can be done to minimize this? Absolutely. Is there any way to protect us, 100% of the time, from a bug or even an exploit being introduced? No.
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Jeremiah North
Pair of Ducks Solver
Join date: 5 May 2006
Posts: 198
07-24-2006 14:55
Although new, I find the information Robin provides extremely helpful. Unless she's writing all the code herself, it's not useful to blame her every time there's a bug. She has a rather complex task in both being responsive to a group of users that sometimes have diametrically opposed views on how SL should evolve, and management. Having run many surveys where I work, I do find support folks and those who talk to the public tend to get blamed for things like QA and development that they have little or no control over. Every release of every version of every piece of software ever made will always have bugs. Without quantifying statements or stats, it's hard to believe every update is the end of the world.

In fact I think Robin is so useful that Ordinal should build a refracting replicating device of some kind to make copies of her.
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Summer Carmichael
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Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 326
07-24-2006 15:16
From: Leyla Firefly
From: Robin Linden

First, when I talked about bad luck, I didn't mean to minimize the problems we had last week, or to blame them on something beyond our control. However, I do think it's important to draw a distinction between downtime that resulted from a bug we introduced during a release (bad, and conceivably avoidable with more extensive testing) and downtime that resulted from a decision to try to protect the community from an exploit (also bad, but a critical problem requiring an urgent response). Many of you weren't drawing that distinction, and I think you should. The bad luck comes in when both happen within 5 days of each other.

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English isnt my native but reading your answer, Robin, i cant but frown at it.

I am fed up not because of last weekend, but about the whole mess thats going on since update 1.10. I'm not an american, i never sugarcoat, nor say things i dont mean.
It's time you and your team get to work on this and show professionality because the lack of that shown lately is where the 'bad luck' really is!



What are you upset about?
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Cocoanut Koala
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07-24-2006 15:19
I think Robin is one of the best Lindens.

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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
07-24-2006 15:23
From: Jeremiah North
In fact I think Robin is so useful that Ordinal should build a refracting replicating device of some kind to make copies of her.

It's funny you should say that... but unfortunately, when I recently attempted to use my Linden Duplicator to produce an ocean of Torleys, all the colours quite shattered the main prism.
Foolish Frost
Grand Technomancer
Join date: 7 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,433
07-24-2006 16:05
From: Selador Cellardoor
Yes. Not often I agree with you, but I do now.

Not only that, I demand that Robin be sent off for cloning immediately!


:eek:

<whimpers> But... But... I thought you LOVED me!

<runs away crying>

:(

YOU LOVE ROBIN MORE!

:mad:
Hermia Linden
Felicitations
Join date: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 74
07-24-2006 16:05
From: Ordinal Malaprop
It's funny you should say that... but unfortunately, when I recently attempted to use my Linden Duplicator to produce an ocean of Torleys, all the colours quite shattered the main prism.


Did you forget the ounce of cheese?
Inigo Chamerberlin
Registered User
Join date: 13 May 2006
Posts: 448
07-24-2006 16:37
It wasn't the cheese. Ordinal neglected to attach sufficient cats to the electrical essence engine, resulting in a lack of power to the chromascopic compressor.
However, another attempt is due shortly. Would you care to attend?
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Eggy Lippmann
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Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
07-24-2006 16:50
I love Robin. If she goes, I go :P
I much prefer the personal and informal touch that has always been a hallmark of Linden-customer interaction, than the mundane corporate drivel that spews from every other company. At least they're honest.
cinda Hoodoo
my 2cents worth
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 951
07-24-2006 17:18
From: Karsten Rutledge
I dunno, I'm gonna say this thread is disgusting. Robin is what, the vice president (or one of them) isn't she? Unfortunately, it's the job of managers/leaders to take the shit when stuff goes bad. I've been in that position myself and it's no fun at all. Robin was apologizing on behalf of the company, I think she should get a little slack. It's not her fault personally, and it's likely no one person's fault specifically. .


I dont know what youve managed, but where i come from if your at the top, the buck stops there, if the jobs not being done by your employees, thats part of sucking it up and making sure it doesnt happen again. The problem here is they have a great product that they are trying to improve, thats wonderful! BUT..make sure all your i's are dotted and your t's are crossed before you dump a patch on the public domain of SL, where real money is at stake, and some even count on this place for a living. Theyve had several success stories published about the ones that do, and the things they are doing shutting down SL for cumuliative days during a month, leaving holes big enuff to drive a semi full of hackers thru, is not doing the job of serving the paying customers here.

I dont think anyone that tells SL hiarchy how they feel about things is disgusting, after all we live and play here too, its not unexpected that we want this place to be the best that it can be.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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Join date: 22 Dec 2003
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07-24-2006 17:19
Eggy is posting Nazi iconography in the forums again. :eek:

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So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them.

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Leyla Firefly
Photoshop Addict
Join date: 8 Aug 2004
Posts: 146
07-24-2006 21:51
From: someone
What are you upset about?


People pay me lots of rl money to build for them. I run my Sl business like i run my RL one, i ALWAYS do what i promised.
I have a good reputation for almost two years, now since 1.10 i have crashing issues. I have a high end pc, have done all what is in the wiki, i even reformatted.
I go reduce the problem to staying in game for around 30 minutes.
Now im back to 2-3 min. Wich is IMPOSSIBLE to get anythin done, not to mention the stupid texture bug.

Upset and pissed yes. I cant do what i promissed to my customers! :mad:
In return i get some half cooked stupid answers? Where i am teams like that who make mistake after mistake get sacked, simply like that.

You can see the age of my account and the little numbers of posts i have done over that time. Im not a complainer, but this is going toO far, and you can bet i aint crawling up their *ss and sugarcoating.
If you all think valid complaining is discusting, the way you all suck up to Robin for her heroic posting, now thats discusting!
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