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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
01-20-2006 12:20
From: Jenny Kaos
Anyone who reacts as he did, doesn't deserve my business.

and it says "you are soooo off my buddy list" :)


This is the reason why you have been added to my "Don't rent from this person" list.

You made a deal with Scorpio, then chose to reneg on it. You are the person who reacted badly by accusing one of SL's finest builders of something improper.

I see the OP as one who is unethical, who wanted something nice for nothing, so she could profit from it.
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Jenny Kaos
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Join date: 23 Aug 2005
Posts: 28
01-20-2006 15:16
Try REREADING the entire thread as you missed something along the way there Weedy. This was a miscommunication...HAD he been clear with his meanings there had not been any problem. There was no reneging, cause as I saw it, he mean buying mulitple houses, not rezzing houses. There is a SLIGHT difference between the two. Perhaps I should have asked for clarification, perhaps he should have been a bit more clear in his statements to me. Either way, something was not communicated. Now originally I posted this more to get everyone's opinion on it. Not to necessarily blast him (if you look at the original post his name IS NOT listed at all), but to see if there were others who had this problem, their solutions, and to see if I'm the only one who misunderstood him. So far, no other people who have purchased homes from him for a rental purpose have replied here stating "yes we had that same agreement". Now you dont' want to rent from me, that is your option, and I am not either way swayed by that statement. But I do know what was said to me, what others have said to via IM. Now I want to know how others feel about this....not have little kid jabs taken at me. TY
Weedy Herbst
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Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
01-20-2006 15:33
From: Jenny Kaos
....not have little kid jabs taken at me. TY


You were told clearly what the conditions were. Now you accuse me of being childish, which is the typical ad hominem attack I would expect from someone who is wrong and has an indefensible argument.

You seem to think that you have an exlusive on attacking Scorpio "ie" he is not good enough for me to business with, yet when someone says the same to you, you get all defensive and pissy. It's a two way street. You make false claims about Scorpio, I won't tell anyone to rent from you. You claim to remove your houses, not because it's the right thing to do, but as some protest as to Scorpio's reputation, which is defamatory imho.

Scorpio was clear in his conditions with you, as other posters have attested.

Don't preach to me about the letter of the law while you ignore the spirit of the law.
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Jenny Kaos
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01-20-2006 15:45
First...the jab statement WAS NOT at you...that was in general...so get off the high horse ok? Second...I was NOT told clearly, otherwise I would not have purchased. I am a person with VERY high morals in game and out. My husband was standing over me when I had the conversation with Scorpio, and even he said it sounded like he mean buying multiple houses. I am not getting pissy, just stating my case. Perhaps I was getting a bit defensive as I felt you were attacking me and my character...normal reaction by a normal person. Not once in my posts have I said a negative thing about scorpio, other than I do not wish to have his items on my island due to his reaction. (you did not see the conversation him and I had in IM, so don't even try to understand). I stated clearly and concisely what happened and asked for input. Not once did I tell anyone not to buy his items. As a matter of fact I gave his name out as a reference just yesterday to someone looking for a spanish style home. I'm just choosing not to buy/use due to his IMS. I do hope you understand that. I am not a vendictive/vengeful/etc person. Removing the homes is not necessarily the right thing to do. The right thing would be for him to have come to me and say something like "We must have had a misunderstanding, what i meant was...." instead of the way he did approach me regarding it. Again...my thoughts, as well as many others.
Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
01-20-2006 15:54
From: Jenny Kaos
Not once in my posts have I said a negative thing about scorpio.


From: Jenny Kaos
As with the seller in question, I have slowly removing all copies, not as a courtesy to him, but because I don't want any of his items on my island. Anyone who reacts as he did, doesn't deserve my business.

and it says "you are soooo off my buddy list" :)


Revisionist history is lost on me.
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Jenny Kaos
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Join date: 23 Aug 2005
Posts: 28
01-20-2006 15:58
Zapoteth Zaius: Jenny, what does the last bit of your forum icon say? Its driving me crazy..

It looks like..

"OH my monkey Lits"

that was in response to this question (again read up a few) I'm sorry I should have perhaps said "and Zapoteth it says:" my fault I'm sorry.
bladyblue Bommerang
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Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 646
Sell a copyable house and the buyer will rez more than one copy!
01-21-2006 06:56
From: Scorpio Galatea
I feel that if a renter wants to gain income from a product that I have made then its only fair and equitable that I receive the payment for those homes also.


I don't agree with you that you become a 'silent partner' in a island owner's home rental business just because they pay you for a copyable house. All sales are final. She's not seling your houses - she can't - they are non-transfer. If she does or does not 'make a profit' from these copies is entirely do to her hard work and marketing skills.

Instead of having to monitor the actions of everyone you sell to - I suggest you make your houses no-copy and be done with it.
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Scorpio Galatea
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Join date: 9 May 2004
Posts: 40
A comment on this posting
01-21-2006 09:40
From: Jenny Kaos
So far, no other people who have purchased homes from him for a rental purpose have replied here stating "yes we had that same agreement".

I had wished that this thread might have cooled by now however it seems that this is not the case. I do have to disagree with the quote above. If the threads were read there is a specific post by a renter that has stated that he recalls the same type of conversation with me. Moreover, he has been happy to act in the spirit of that agreement even though his homes are copy/mod.

From: Brian Engel
A.) I rent homes. More than a few, from several builders. Six, including the one I live in, are from Scorpio.
B-) The conversation he had with me months ago about copy/mod is exactly the conversation he claims to have had on this issue. Word for word as best I can recall.


This goes some way to prove that the conversation and request was not aimed at Jenny herself but at the way I would ideally like the homes I produce to be used. As one poster stated, just because they are copy/mod does not mean that you 'must'.

Since this thread started I have noticed that it has turned into a question of permissions rather than the context of the conversation prior to the purchaser actually buying the homes. I agree that this is the crux of the issue.

I agree that I can only expect to work inside the scope of permissions that the Lindens allow us and I have weighed up the advice of some posters of making boxed multiple no copy houses for renters against the greater advantages that having a copy of the parts in case of damage or accidental deletion. The advantages of the copy system benefits far outweigh any disagreements that may occasionally occur due to either a 'miscommunication' or the person not wishing to act on a verbal request that cannot be enforced under the way the perms system currently works. While builders continue to offer copy homes and at the same time the Lindens not offering a better system then this will carry on.

The business I do is 95% with residents who have no interest in renting and are more than happy with the homes they receive. I appreciate the comments and observations of the posters to the thread. Let us hope that the Lindens will act and produce a permissions system that is fair to the producers of the work and allow an item to be used in exactly the way that they wish for both residents and for the people that use that item to assist in their own revenue generation.
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