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Surina Skallagrimson

Queen of Amazon Nations

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02-24-2006 09:29

From: AJ DaSilva

I wish SL would let us do more stuff client side.

I do loads of stuff clientside already, but not while I'm in SL..

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AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

02-24-2006 09:31

From: Surina Skallagrimson

I do loads of stuff clientside already, but not while I'm in SL..

Is this an allusion to something interesting or am I being overly hopeful here?

Matthias Zander

...me?

Join date: 2 May 2004

Posts: 109

02-24-2006 10:26

From: Surina Skallagrimson

AW V4.1 supports vehicles natively. I'm not sure of the precise method they've used, but it's not 'bots'.

Very interesting. Glad to hear that AWI finally developed *something*. It's about time.

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Zapoteth Zaius

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Join date: 14 Feb 2004

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02-24-2006 10:30

From: Chris Wilde

Its not that crazy. The more power/freedom/customization/etc. in the users hands, the less power (horsepower maybe?) on the backend. And by backend I really mean the client as well, not just the servers. Hard to have awesome vehicle races if all the participants are allowed to wear hoochie hair with 100s of prims. But if avatar customization was limited, those races wouldnt be nearly as bad. Maybe SL should incorporate 2 avatars: the normal one and a "lite" version that is used in sim requiring it and that had other restrictions to allow better fps. And when you entered those areas, your avatar would automatically change to the lite version.

I've eaten now, I can probably make more sence.

Theres a lot you can do in SL that Stagecoach Island doesn't want or need, and it'll just confuse its members.

I think SI is more suited to Active Worlds..

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Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

02-24-2006 10:48

There's a lot of stuff you can do better in AW, namely, actually being able to run it from an average computer at an acceptable speed

SL is an extremely ambitious project, TOO ambitious - if you have trouble running it now, imagine what it was like when it started! Back in 2003 it lagged with only 5 people in view and the sim crashed at 20

SL has been in development since at least 2001 though - LL started in 1999, when 3D MMO gaming was barely maturing.
Of course, the ambition makes it all very exciting but as the old saying goes, 90% of people will only ever need 10% of the features (and vice versa)

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Satchmo Prototype

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02-24-2006 11:18

Does anyone who did that actually development for the Active Worlds SI port? Was it actually the team at AW?

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Khashai Steinbeck

A drop in the Biomass.

Join date: 15 Oct 2005

Posts: 283

02-24-2006 12:06

From: Matthias Zander

I wrote an article in the Herald about this after visiting Stagecoach last night, but I honestly think that their going over to AW was the biggest favor that's been paid to AW, possibly ever. As a former AW citizen, the moving vehicles that they got to work surprised me - that must have taken quite some bot work since all the "actionscripting" that you can do in AW is run through pre-programmed bots.

Either they used something that is proprietary to the server that the S.I. runs on. Or, worst case senario, AW figured it out and its in 4.1. Not that anyone will care, AW has a reputation, and its not a good one.

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Khashai Steinbeck

A drop in the Biomass.

Join date: 15 Oct 2005

Posts: 283

02-24-2006 12:15

From: Matthias Zander

Very interesting. Glad to hear that AWI finally developed *something*. It's about time.

They probably borrowed the code from somewhere. Don't forget that they fired their only programmer, who had designed the software from the ground up, and then replaced him with someone who had no idea how the program worked.

Development ground to a hault because the guy couldnt read the code, effectively. Either they have rehired their original programmer (doubtful, they should still owe him alot of money), or their original programmer had an epiphany and figured out how to read the code, and simultaneously learned how to make games (doubtful), or they "borrowed" the code from somewhere (this actually makes the most sense to me, having seen AW's track record in action).

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Matthias Zander

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Join date: 2 May 2004

Posts: 109

02-24-2006 13:31

Very true, Khashai. They always have seemed to fire the people who actually know what they're doing and hire the ones who don't.

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Ranma Tardis

沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水

Join date: 8 Nov 2005

Posts: 1,415

02-24-2006 13:38

From: Matthias Zander

Very true, Khashai. They always have seemed to fire the people who actually know what they're doing and hire the ones who don't.

Ah then Active Worlds is run by a Goverment! Which one you ask, Does it matter It answer.

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

02-25-2006 11:52

From: Satchmo Prototype

Does anyone who did that actually development for the Active Worlds SI port? Was it actually the team at AW?

I seem to recall that yes, it was the AW devs who developed everything for swivel. Definitely a lesson for LL there - so many people making so much money off of SL content, why doesn't LL setup a crack team of developers to handle these important projects for them?

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AJ DaSilva

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02-25-2006 11:55

From: Eggy Lippmann

I seem to recall that yes, it was the AW devs who developed everything for swivel. Definitely a lesson for LL there - so many people making so much money off of SL content, why doesn't LL setup a crack team of developers to handle these important projects for them?

'Cause too much of the community is oversensitive and would bitch about it.

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Surina Skallagrimson Queen of Amazon Nations Join date: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 941	02-24-2006 09:29 From: AJ DaSilva I wish SL would let us do more stuff client side. I do loads of stuff clientside already, but not while I'm in SL.. _____________________ -------------------------------------------------------- Surina Skallagrimson Queen of Amazon Nation Rizal Sports Mentor -------------------------------------------------------- Philip Linden: "we are not in the game business." Adam Savage: "I reject your reality and substitue my own."
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	02-24-2006 09:31 From: Surina Skallagrimson I do loads of stuff clientside already, but not while I'm in SL.. Is this an allusion to something interesting or am I being overly hopeful here?
Matthias Zander ...me? Join date: 2 May 2004 Posts: 109	02-24-2006 10:26 From: Surina Skallagrimson AW V4.1 supports vehicles natively. I'm not sure of the precise method they've used, but it's not 'bots'. Very interesting. Glad to hear that AWI finally developed something. It's about time. _____________________ Creator of Alluring Elegance
Zapoteth Zaius Is back Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 5,634	02-24-2006 10:30 From: Chris Wilde Its not that crazy. The more power/freedom/customization/etc. in the users hands, the less power (horsepower maybe?) on the backend. And by backend I really mean the client as well, not just the servers. Hard to have awesome vehicle races if all the participants are allowed to wear hoochie hair with 100s of prims. But if avatar customization was limited, those races wouldnt be nearly as bad. Maybe SL should incorporate 2 avatars: the normal one and a "lite" version that is used in sim requiring it and that had other restrictions to allow better fps. And when you entered those areas, your avatar would automatically change to the lite version. I've eaten now, I can probably make more sence. Theres a lot you can do in SL that Stagecoach Island doesn't want or need, and it'll just confuse its members. I think SI is more suited to Active Worlds.. _____________________ I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me. --------------- Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50) ---------------
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	02-24-2006 10:48 There's a lot of stuff you can do better in AW, namely, actually being able to run it from an average computer at an acceptable speed SL is an extremely ambitious project, TOO ambitious - if you have trouble running it now, imagine what it was like when it started! Back in 2003 it lagged with only 5 people in view and the sim crashed at 20 SL has been in development since at least 2001 though - LL started in 1999, when 3D MMO gaming was barely maturing. Of course, the ambition makes it all very exciting but as the old saying goes, 90% of people will only ever need 10% of the features (and vice versa) _____________________ Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!
Satchmo Prototype eSheep Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1,323	02-24-2006 11:18 Does anyone who did that actually development for the Active Worlds SI port? Was it actually the team at AW? _____________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Electric Sheep Company Satchmo Blogs: The Daily Graze Satchmo del.icio.us
Khashai Steinbeck A drop in the Biomass. Join date: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 283	02-24-2006 12:06 From: Matthias Zander I wrote an article in the Herald about this after visiting Stagecoach last night, but I honestly think that their going over to AW was the biggest favor that's been paid to AW, possibly ever. As a former AW citizen, the moving vehicles that they got to work surprised me - that must have taken quite some bot work since all the "actionscripting" that you can do in AW is run through pre-programmed bots. Either they used something that is proprietary to the server that the S.I. runs on. Or, worst case senario, AW figured it out and its in 4.1. Not that anyone will care, AW has a reputation, and its not a good one. _____________________
Khashai Steinbeck A drop in the Biomass. Join date: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 283	02-24-2006 12:15 From: Matthias Zander Very interesting. Glad to hear that AWI finally developed something. It's about time. They probably borrowed the code from somewhere. Don't forget that they fired their only programmer, who had designed the software from the ground up, and then replaced him with someone who had no idea how the program worked. Development ground to a hault because the guy couldnt read the code, effectively. Either they have rehired their original programmer (doubtful, they should still owe him alot of money), or their original programmer had an epiphany and figured out how to read the code, and simultaneously learned how to make games (doubtful), or they "borrowed" the code from somewhere (this actually makes the most sense to me, having seen AW's track record in action). _____________________
Matthias Zander ...me? Join date: 2 May 2004 Posts: 109	02-24-2006 13:31 Very true, Khashai. They always have seemed to fire the people who actually know what they're doing and hire the ones who don't. _____________________ Creator of Alluring Elegance
Ranma Tardis 沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水 Join date: 8 Nov 2005 Posts: 1,415	02-24-2006 13:38 From: Matthias Zander Very true, Khashai. They always have seemed to fire the people who actually know what they're doing and hire the ones who don't. Ah then Active Worlds is run by a Goverment! Which one you ask, Does it matter It answer.
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	02-25-2006 11:52 From: Satchmo Prototype Does anyone who did that actually development for the Active Worlds SI port? Was it actually the team at AW? I seem to recall that yes, it was the AW devs who developed everything for swivel. Definitely a lesson for LL there - so many people making so much money off of SL content, why doesn't LL setup a crack team of developers to handle these important projects for them? _____________________ Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	02-25-2006 11:55 From: Eggy Lippmann I seem to recall that yes, it was the AW devs who developed everything for swivel. Definitely a lesson for LL there - so many people making so much money off of SL content, why doesn't LL setup a crack team of developers to handle these important projects for them? 'Cause too much of the community is oversensitive and would bitch about it.

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