Dropping notecards and textures on random people as advertising.
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Ravenelle Zugzwang
zugzugz.com
Join date: 23 Jul 2004
Posts: 267
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03-12-2006 21:53
Good idea? Bad Idea?
I don't really like having those things dropped on me out of the blue when I am in the middle of something. I should have enabled my busy mode, so on that front it's partly my fault.
When I asked him why he chose to do this to me, he thought I was out of my mind and seemed to not know what I was speaking of, but later he remember that he paid some people to set about and drop these things on people.
Does anyone know another way to stop a pop-up of a notecard or texture without enabling busy mode?
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Hugsy Penguin
Sky Junkie
Join date: 20 Jun 2005
Posts: 851
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03-12-2006 22:01
Abuse Report anyone who drops an unsolicited notecard or texture on you.
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Anna Bobbysocks
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 373
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03-12-2006 22:11
yeah.. pretty sure this would qualify as spam, which is against the TOS.
I think impeach bush is spam as well, but, hey that's another matter..
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Spinner Poutine
Still rezzin or am I
Join date: 28 Oct 2005
Posts: 583
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03-12-2006 22:13
I think they should at least ask the person first
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Ravenelle Zugzwang
zugzugz.com
Join date: 23 Jul 2004
Posts: 267
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03-12-2006 22:46
I looked up what this might fall under on the Community Standards guidelines. It is indeed not allowable by these rules. Number 6 specifically.
Disturbing the Peace Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace.
I did learn something. The community standards can be found in a couple places, including off the basic help link under the help menu and on the secondlife website.
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Hunter Stern
Web Weaver
Join date: 7 Oct 2004
Posts: 377
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03-13-2006 00:08
what i did to advertise my avatars inworldwith the participation being voluntary is...
I added a Landmark/notecard Giver script to my butt and everytime curious ppl who werent right next to me to ask about my avatar wanted to know more about my avatar or what the hand cursor was for and saw they could click me, they got all the vital infomation right there and then.
infact several people stopped directly into the store from teh landmark(s) given from it which saved them the hassle. And had they not wanted the notecard they needn't have bothered clicking me.
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Sable Sunset
Prim Herder
Join date: 15 Apr 2005
Posts: 223
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03-13-2006 01:30
I had considered this as an opt-in (rather than spam which is you have to opt-out of) alternative to group chat spam for events and special days at the club I'm soon to open. What are people's views on using textures or notecards in that manner? Do they prefer this form of communication to group chat?
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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03-13-2006 01:33
I always abuse report anyone who drops unsolicited notecards on me as spammers, whether by script or by hand. It's rude and it's annoying, since you can't refuse and it displays right over your friggin view.
In the street irl, if someone attempts to thrust something into my hand, I have the ability to refuse and tell them to fuck off. SL doesn't afford me that luxury, so AR'ing is my alternative.
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
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03-13-2006 02:38
From: Hunter Stern what i did to advertise my avatars inworldwith the participation being voluntary is...
I added a Landmark/notecard Giver script to my butt and everytime curious ppl who werent right next to me to ask about my avatar wanted to know more about my avatar or what the hand cursor was for and saw they could click me, they got all the vital infomation right there and then.
infact several people stopped directly into the store from teh landmark(s) given from it which saved them the hassle. And had they not wanted the notecard they needn't have bothered clicking me. I like that idea! "TOUCH MY BUTT TO LEARN MORE".
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Noh Rinkitink
Just some Nohbody
Join date: 31 Jan 2006
Posts: 572
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03-13-2006 04:49
From: Ravenelle Zugzwang Good idea? Bad Idea?
I don't really like having those things dropped on me out of the blue when I am in the middle of something. I should have enabled my busy mode, so on that front it's partly my fault. No, it's not your fault, partly or in full, that some people are asshats with no respect for anyone else's time, resources, or privacy. I think the above is a fairly strong hint as to how I voted. 
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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03-13-2006 05:19
Recently, I did a small advertising campaign to a select group of content creators in order to add some additional advertisers to Snapzilla. Having been on the receiving end of countless notecard spam campaigns inviting me to be in malls, to come to weddings, to do this or that thing, I definitely did not want that to be the first impression I gave of my site to a potential advertiser.
The approach I went with was to have each person individually contacted via IM with a small message explaining that an item was being sent to them that contained information about advertising on the site, and allowing them to opt out of receiving it. Once they received it, they had to take it out of inventory and actually click on the item (it was a giant camera) to receive the notecard.
Every step of the way (other than the initial IM) was completely opt-in. The response to this approach was incredibly positive - in fact not one person asked not to receive it.
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Maeve Morgan
ZOMG Resmod!
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,512
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03-13-2006 08:05
Tasteful advertising can be ok, random spamming for anything is just going to get on my nerves.
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Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
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03-13-2006 08:25
Here's a haiku for you.
I get spam. I find them. Bad, bad things happen. Avatars can bleed.
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MJ Hathor
Purple Butterfly
Join date: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 901
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03-13-2006 08:33
First impressions count. Clearly spamming to get your product/service recognized is not the way to go. There are so many creative ways to advertise nowadays, without having to spend countless wasted hours searching for avatars to drop a notecard on.
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
Chick with Horns
Join date: 11 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,707
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03-13-2006 10:33
Unsolicited notecards sent as advertising, or sent repeatedly, would be just annoying. The only time I send people notecards is when I have to ask a business-related question that's too detailed to go into in an IM and the person isn't online often. When I drop a notecard in those circumstances, I always send a quick, polite IM to let them know I've done it, and I give the notecard title in the IM so it'll be easy to find. Naturally, discussing things via IM is always better, but in cases where it isn't possible, I try to make the notecard option as painless as possible.
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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03-13-2006 11:07
Whereas notecard givers as info (entering gorean sim, large land, gardens, clubs, etc) are normal and shouldn't be ARed.. someone randomly dropping textures and notecards should be.
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Starax Statosky
Unregistered User
Join date: 23 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,099
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03-13-2006 11:11
I demand a recount!!. There's two NO's and only one YES. But still, I'm grateful you had the decency to give us atleast one 'YES' option. Thank you!
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
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03-13-2006 13:29
I have in my profile that I do not want anything unsolicited dropped on me, period. Every single person thinks they're the exception, and I still get several a week, down from several a day, so at least some people are paying attention. Lately, I'm just considering it a list of places I will NEVER shop or sell at. It's people opting-in to my blacklist.
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Red Mars
What?
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 469
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03-13-2006 14:09
From: Ravenelle Zugzwang I looked up what this might fall under on the Community Standards guidelines. It is indeed not allowable by these rules. Number 6 specifically.
Disturbing the Peace Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace.
. I think the operative word in the quoted passage is repeated transmission of undesired advertising . I don't think handing a flyer out to people constitutes repetitive harrasement. If someone hands out one -- one -- flyer per person, I don't think should be AR'ed unless it's x-rated or otherwise intrinsically offensive. I'm talking about advertisements here, not handing out porn, nazi propoganda, those insanely gross anti-abortion pamplets or any other EXTREME examples I'm sure someone will pull out of their ass just to say "Oh yeah, well what about ...?" at me.
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Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
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03-13-2006 16:58
From: Red Mars I think the operative word in the quoted passage is repeated transmission of undesired advertising . I don't think handing a flyer out to people constitutes repetitive harrasement. If someone hands out one -- one -- flyer per person, I don't think should be AR'ed unless it's x-rated or otherwise intrinsically offensive. I'm talking about advertisements here, not handing out porn, nazi propoganda, those insanely gross anti-abortion pamplets or any other EXTREME examples I'm sure someone will pull out of their ass just to say "Oh yeah, well what about ...?" at me. Nope - you slap an ad in my screen as I'm flying, I will AR you. Becasue you have just prevented me from enjoying my SL time - banging my planes into buildings, preventing me from repsonding to a security script warning and getting me TPed home, or preventing me from defending myself/pressing my attack in a dogfight all constitute non-enjoyment of my SL time and are the results of having a totally unsolicited and in every last case totally unwanted ad stuffed on my screen. Put your ad out where it can be seen, let the potential customer decide if they want to know more. I also consider this kind of spam to be all the reason I need to never spend my money on the businesses using it.
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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03-13-2006 17:37
Did you know...
That I don't like stuff dumped on me.... That it's woefully easy to get your key... That I can send Instant messages to a key from an object several times a second 24 hours a day even when I'm not in Second Life?
Do the math.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-13-2006 17:57
From: Ravenelle Zugzwang I did learn something. The community standards can be found in a couple places, including off the basic help link under the help menu and on the secondlife website.
Sadly one cannot copy the text from the inworld CS display into an abuse report. You can, however, copy the text from secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php into a notecard, making it easy to access when you want to provide exact quotes of the rule you think is being broken in the body of the abuse report.
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Red Mars
What?
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
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03-13-2006 20:00
From: Jillian Callahan Nope - you slap an ad in my screen as I'm flying, I will AR you. Becasue you have just prevented me from enjoying my SL time - banging my planes into buildings, preventing me from repsonding to a security script warning and getting me TPed home, or preventing me from defending myself/pressing my attack in a dogfight all constitute non-enjoyment of my SL time and are the results of having a totally unsolicited and in every last case totally unwanted ad stuffed on my screen.
And if you AR'ed someone for sending one ad I'm sure it would be rightfully ignored.
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Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
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03-13-2006 22:02
From: Red Mars And if you AR'ed someone for sending one ad I'm sure it would be rightfully ignored. From what feedback I've gotten, they have not been ignored.
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Ravenelle Zugzwang
zugzugz.com
Join date: 23 Jul 2004
Posts: 267
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03-14-2006 00:08
I hope this texture artist can find their path to success in SL, and I hope they are learning that this behaviour isn't acceptable, and can move on to other more constructive ways of advertising. I just feel pretty cynical about this particular business now, because of how all this transpired.
It makes me feel bitter toward his business and his ventures overall, because while discussing this with him, he was berating me and didn't care what was occuring was disruptive, let alone against any rules. He wasn't even aware that I was disrupted, because he had hired people to do all the notecard and texture dropping, and what should their punishments be? Should they be held accountable for doing this person's bidding?
I guess it's all how you serve it up. If someone had approached me in IM and said," Hey , would you like to see something new? " I'd be very inclined to say, "Yes!"
All of this advertising was served up on a garbage can lid, while someone held my head and tried to force it down my throat. Yuck. Shame on them.
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