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kornation Bommerang

cant spell, wont spell

Join date: 13 Jan 2005

Posts: 125

02-27-2006 02:16

when someone greifs where i work - i have a special way of gettin rid of them (cannot explain here - against tos i think) but its not to greif them - its to get rid of them - and even thou the peeps who own the land allow me to do this - the peopel who find out who/what/when/how i did it then ar me

ar me for doing my job on a set off islands thats not ll but company owned? i dunno how they can do the stupid stuff against the island rules then have the nerve to ar me

i havent had any warnings or disciplinary actions against me yet but is that because they checked out the who owned land and who works their or tehy just dont have the time to sort thru em all?

id like to see island owners be able to give out 'policing' tags to their peeps and deal with teh policing themselves -from island mute to total island ban (not just bounce above 40m/ in the corner)

oh and cornfeild test - i think i have a spare alt that could be used to test it - but who what and how do i get banned enough to be sent there and not enough for a proper ban?

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Chance Abattoir

Future Rockin' Resmod

Join date: 3 Apr 2004

Posts: 3,898

02-27-2006 02:33

From: Introvert Petunia

Personally, I favor torture followed by capital punishment. Some folks may find that a little draconian, but Stalin thought it rather effective.

I never understood the term "Capital Punishment"... if the person is dead, then they haven't been punished because they can't learn from their mistakes.

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Selador Cellardoor

Registered User

Join date: 16 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,082

02-27-2006 03:13

From: Jon Spicoli

a guy wearing "FU" or some offensive thing would automatically have their avatar switched to the default shape and outfit, and they could not put on any attachments or change clothes until said ban was lifted. Same thing with griefers.

Now that I like!

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Selador Cellardoor

Registered User

Join date: 16 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,082

02-27-2006 03:15

From: Siggy Romulus

Don't you have someone to dominate or something?
Or is that usually something done as a break between pontificating?

No, I pontificate and dominate equally. I'm ambidextrous.

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Introvert Petunia

over 2 billion posts

Join date: 11 Sep 2004

Posts: 2,065

02-27-2006 06:05

From: someone

I never understood the term "Capital Punishment"... if the person is dead, then they haven't been punished because they can't learn from their mistakes.

Perhaps you can think of it as punishment toward the head, as it is probably less comfortable on the ground by itself that attached to that cozy machine that carries it around and nourishes it and whatnot.

Or, to be more buddhist about it, I would imagine that decapitation would probably leave a karmic stain on your next iteration or sumptin.

Merlyn Bailly

owner, AVALON GALLERIA

Join date: 7 Sep 2005

Posts: 576

Don't think muting works that way...

03-02-2006 20:04

From: Jon Spicoli

Basically, let the punishment fit the crime. Ex. some guy is cussing, dropping the f-bomb, like 2045 times in a row. So you AR him. now, instead of completely banning him, you would just mute him, which would disable everyone hearing him, and prevent him making notecards. And Emotes.

I believe muting someone only prevents _you_ hearing them, not _everyone_ around you or him.

Jon Spicoli

This time, It's personal

Join date: 13 Feb 2006

Posts: 20

03-08-2006 22:53

no, the way you are thinking of is only if the person is harassing you. If the person is acting badly to multiple people, it would prevent people from hearing his talks, IMs, or shouts.

Edit:

From: Corvus Drake

I don't give a **** if people ****ing swear like bloody ****ing sailors, personally. Profanity filters seem to be the tool of the day...

I'd say profanity filters. And there are guns, you know. If you're getting griefed, AR them, and if they keep griefing after you told them you did, I think it should be perfectly acceptable to grief the griefer.

Yeah, i suppose that would work. However, time has proven that no profanity filter is 100% effective. like instead of saying word, they could always say wo rd, or w ord, or \/\/()RD, or w
o
r
d
or... you get the picture. Maybe one that could be updated by its users? would take some work though. Also, put it in the options menu.

Amaraiel Saarinen

Registered User

Join date: 28 Feb 2006

Posts: 25

Resident Vigilantes? WTF?

03-09-2006 08:10

Really? I think letting residents handle high-profile problems is a bit hasty. Some residents just can't think straight when they are angry. Additionally, i've just experienced a situation which has set my mind in motion for this. Some residents when they lack the brain mass to talk something out logically send out a report and then exaggerate it just enough to catch a lindens attention. So one is given a punishment for something that really was nothing but was made out to be something huge. I believe that the adult second life was built to be just that... adult. We've lost that since we've all gotten caught up in drama. This isn't TSO anymore people. We don't just find the first dramatic episode find a reason to report someone and click that oh so fun report button. We are not in TSO anymore people. Lets act like it.

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Troy Vogel

Marginal Prof. of ZOMG!

Join date: 16 Aug 2004

Posts: 478

03-09-2006 09:08

From: Jon Spicoli

Basically, let the punishment fit the crime. Ex. some guy is cussing, dropping the f-bomb, (EDIT:harrasing everyone, spamming everyone's chat,) like 2045 times in a row. So you AR him, (and request a specific punishment - in this case, a MuteAll(a term i just made up)). now, instead of completely banning him, you would just MuteAll him, which would disable everyone hearing him, and prevent him making notecards. And Emotes. (Edit: not like regular muting, which only disables the guy from talking to you directly.)

a guy wearing (EDIT: an extremely offensive item, not gonna list here, and after repeated requests to remove,) would automatically have their avatar switched to the default shape and outfit, and they could not put on any attachments or change clothes until said ban was lifted. Same thing with griefers.

Overall asshats? Toss 'em into the cornfield! It's like a prison, but no-build, no-fly, no escape. (yes, it is real, i've seen the screenies.)

Offensive or negative land parcels could be shut down( EDIT: Freebie Seller's parcels of land (not going to name names, but you know exactly who i am referring to.), or land belonging to people with illegal business practices), much like regular sims are shut down due to lag or somesuch. Offending parcels could also be temporarily be replaced with a flat land patch (would say something like "suspended land" in the title), until said issues are resolved.

You could also complain about wrongful punishments. Lindens would have the power to put you on a probationary period, and the TOS could be changed to make way for these new things.

I'm just pitching ideas... tell me what you think, or add new ideas.

LOL Bless your heart for putting all this thinking into this. You are dear.

We need to put our creativity towards actually CREATING things and not turning this world into a perfect horrible replica of RL (too late for that I suppose, someone throw me a stilletto knock off). Laws are good, rights work fine, but putting this much thinking into punishment signals a bigger problem SL might be facing.

Discuss.

Troy

My new favorite default answer to any GENERAL Forum post:

From: someone

I'm sorry, there has been some interference on the line. It all came down as "waaah waaah waaahhhh *cry* *moan* *poop*", is that what you originally said?

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Jon Spicoli

This time, It's personal

Join date: 13 Feb 2006

Posts: 20

03-12-2006 00:54

From: Amaraiel Saarinen

Really? I think letting residents handle high-profile problems is a bit hasty. Some residents just can't think straight when they are angry. Additionally, i've just experienced a situation which has set my mind in motion for this. Some residents when they lack the brain mass to talk something out logically send out a report and then exaggerate it just enough to catch a lindens attention. So one is given a punishment for something that really was nothing but was made out to be something huge. I believe that the adult second life was built to be just that... adult. We've lost that since we've all gotten caught up in drama. This isn't TSO anymore people. We don't just find the first dramatic episode find a reason to report someone and click that oh so fun report button. We are not in TSO anymore people. Lets act like it.

From: Jon Spicoli

You could also complain about wrongful punishments. Lindens would have the power to put you on a probationary period, and the TOS could be changed to make way for these new things.

I rest my case.

oh, and:

From: someone

I'm sorry, there has been some interference on the line. It all came down as "waaah waaah waaahhhh *cry* *moan* *poop*", is that what you originally said?

Thanks for the funny quote. You really made my day!

Alternate punishment methods.
kornation Bommerang cant spell, wont spell Join date: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 125	02-27-2006 02:16 when someone greifs where i work - i have a special way of gettin rid of them (cannot explain here - against tos i think) but its not to greif them - its to get rid of them - and even thou the peeps who own the land allow me to do this - the peopel who find out who/what/when/how i did it then ar me ar me for doing my job on a set off islands thats not ll but company owned? i dunno how they can do the stupid stuff against the island rules then have the nerve to ar me i havent had any warnings or disciplinary actions against me yet but is that because they checked out the who owned land and who works their or tehy just dont have the time to sort thru em all? id like to see island owners be able to give out 'policing' tags to their peeps and deal with teh policing themselves -from island mute to total island ban (not just bounce above 40m/ in the corner) oh and cornfeild test - i think i have a spare alt that could be used to test it - but who what and how do i get banned enough to be sent there and not enough for a proper ban? _____________________ Live Life Lagged (tm)
Chance Abattoir Future Rockin' Resmod Join date: 3 Apr 2004 Posts: 3,898	02-27-2006 02:33 From: Introvert Petunia Personally, I favor torture followed by capital punishment. Some folks may find that a little draconian, but Stalin thought it rather effective. I never understood the term "Capital Punishment"... if the person is dead, then they haven't been punished because they can't learn from their mistakes. _____________________ "The mob requires regular doses of scandal, paranoia and dilemma to alleviate the boredom of a meaningless existence." -Insane Ramblings, Anton LaVey
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	02-27-2006 03:13 From: Jon Spicoli a guy wearing "FU" or some offensive thing would automatically have their avatar switched to the default shape and outfit, and they could not put on any attachments or change clothes until said ban was lifted. Same thing with griefers. Now that I like! _____________________
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	02-27-2006 03:15 From: Siggy Romulus Don't you have someone to dominate or something? Or is that usually something done as a break between pontificating? No, I pontificate and dominate equally. I'm ambidextrous. _____________________
Introvert Petunia over 2 billion posts Join date: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,065	02-27-2006 06:05 From: someone I never understood the term "Capital Punishment"... if the person is dead, then they haven't been punished because they can't learn from their mistakes. Perhaps you can think of it as punishment toward the head, as it is probably less comfortable on the ground by itself that attached to that cozy machine that carries it around and nourishes it and whatnot. Or, to be more buddhist about it, I would imagine that decapitation would probably leave a karmic stain on your next iteration or sumptin.
Merlyn Bailly owner, AVALON GALLERIA Join date: 7 Sep 2005 Posts: 576	Don't think muting works that way... 03-02-2006 20:04 From: Jon Spicoli Basically, let the punishment fit the crime. Ex. some guy is cussing, dropping the f-bomb, like 2045 times in a row. So you AR him. now, instead of completely banning him, you would just mute him, which would disable everyone hearing him, and prevent him making notecards. And Emotes. I believe muting someone only prevents _you_ hearing them, not _everyone_ around you or him.
Jon Spicoli This time, It's personal Join date: 13 Feb 2006 Posts: 20	03-08-2006 22:53 no, the way you are thinking of is only if the person is harassing you. If the person is acting badly to multiple people, it would prevent people from hearing his talks, IMs, or shouts. Edit: From: Corvus Drake I don't give a ** if people ing swear like bloody **ing sailors, personally. Profanity filters seem to be the tool of the day... I'd say profanity filters. And there are guns, you know. If you're getting griefed, AR them, and if they keep griefing after you told them you did, I think it should be perfectly acceptable to grief the griefer. Yeah, i suppose that would work. However, time has proven that no profanity filter is 100% effective. like instead of saying word, they could always say wo rd, or w ord, or \/\/()RD, or w o r d or... you get the picture. Maybe one that could be updated by its users? would take some work though. Also, put it in the options menu.
Amaraiel Saarinen Registered User Join date: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 25	Resident Vigilantes? WTF? 03-09-2006 08:10 Really? I think letting residents handle high-profile problems is a bit hasty. Some residents just can't think straight when they are angry. Additionally, i've just experienced a situation which has set my mind in motion for this. Some residents when they lack the brain mass to talk something out logically send out a report and then exaggerate it just enough to catch a lindens attention. So one is given a punishment for something that really was nothing but was made out to be something huge. I believe that the adult second life was built to be just that... adult. We've lost that since we've all gotten caught up in drama. This isn't TSO anymore people. We don't just find the first dramatic episode find a reason to report someone and click that oh so fun report button. We are not in TSO anymore people. Lets act like it. _____________________ DJ For Hire PLEASE IM in game or irl if interested
Troy Vogel Marginal Prof. of ZOMG! Join date: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 478	03-09-2006 09:08 From: Jon Spicoli Basically, let the punishment fit the crime. Ex. some guy is cussing, dropping the f-bomb, (EDIT:harrasing everyone, spamming everyone's chat,) like 2045 times in a row. So you AR him, (and request a specific punishment - in this case, a MuteAll(a term i just made up)). now, instead of completely banning him, you would just MuteAll him, which would disable everyone hearing him, and prevent him making notecards. And Emotes. (Edit: not like regular muting, which only disables the guy from talking to you directly.) a guy wearing (EDIT: an extremely offensive item, not gonna list here, and after repeated requests to remove,) would automatically have their avatar switched to the default shape and outfit, and they could not put on any attachments or change clothes until said ban was lifted. Same thing with griefers. Overall asshats? Toss 'em into the cornfield! It's like a prison, but no-build, no-fly, no escape. (yes, it is real, i've seen the screenies.) Offensive or negative land parcels could be shut down( EDIT: Freebie Seller's parcels of land (not going to name names, but you know exactly who i am referring to.), or land belonging to people with illegal business practices), much like regular sims are shut down due to lag or somesuch. Offending parcels could also be temporarily be replaced with a flat land patch (would say something like "suspended land" in the title), until said issues are resolved. You could also complain about wrongful punishments. Lindens would have the power to put you on a probationary period, and the TOS could be changed to make way for these new things. I'm just pitching ideas... tell me what you think, or add new ideas. LOL Bless your heart for putting all this thinking into this. You are dear. We need to put our creativity towards actually CREATING things and not turning this world into a perfect horrible replica of RL (too late for that I suppose, someone throw me a stilletto knock off). Laws are good, rights work fine, but putting this much thinking into punishment signals a bigger problem SL might be facing. Discuss. Troy My new favorite default answer to any GENERAL Forum post: From: someone I'm sorry, there has been some interference on the line. It all came down as "waaah waaah waaahhhh cry moan poop", is that what you originally said? _____________________
Jon Spicoli This time, It's personal Join date: 13 Feb 2006 Posts: 20	03-12-2006 00:54 From: Amaraiel Saarinen Really? I think letting residents handle high-profile problems is a bit hasty. Some residents just can't think straight when they are angry. Additionally, i've just experienced a situation which has set my mind in motion for this. Some residents when they lack the brain mass to talk something out logically send out a report and then exaggerate it just enough to catch a lindens attention. So one is given a punishment for something that really was nothing but was made out to be something huge. I believe that the adult second life was built to be just that... adult. We've lost that since we've all gotten caught up in drama. This isn't TSO anymore people. We don't just find the first dramatic episode find a reason to report someone and click that oh so fun report button. We are not in TSO anymore people. Lets act like it. From: Jon Spicoli You could also complain about wrongful punishments. Lindens would have the power to put you on a probationary period, and the TOS could be changed to make way for these new things. I rest my case. oh, and: From: someone I'm sorry, there has been some interference on the line. It all came down as "waaah waaah waaahhhh cry moan poop", is that what you originally said? Thanks for the funny quote. You really made my day!

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