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Gabe Lippmann
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01-27-2006 23:17
From: Aimee Weber
Right. What I am saying is, If I AR every thread under 24 hours old, and sit here ARing every new one that comes up, then the resmods will either have to use their judgement and ignore me, or I have effectively shut down the forums until Jeska arrives on the scene. I hope it's the former.


Go for it :D
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
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01-27-2006 23:19
From: Gabe Lippmann
Go for it :D


HAHAHA!! Despite popular opinion, I do NOT cause trouble :D
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Enabran Templar
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01-27-2006 23:20
From: Nolan Nash
And I say people who are supposed to be of the character standing required to be a resmod shouldn't have "flexing" their muscles amongst their repetoire of character traits. Just sayin'.


/me flexes his ass
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
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01-27-2006 23:21
From: Enabran Templar
/me flexes his ass


And people wonder why I advocate assless pants!!
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MJ Hathor
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01-27-2006 23:24
I would be honored to get my e-mail flooded by aimee :)

errr...back on topic, wait is this the topic...grrr time to go to bed, gnite <3
Nolan Nash
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01-27-2006 23:27
From: Enabran Templar
/me flexes his ass



From: Aimee Weber
And people wonder why I advocate assless pants!!


Careful folks, this thread is already in danger of being sent to the cornfield at any moment.
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Talen Morgan
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01-27-2006 23:28
If your speaking of assless pants for women I'm ok with it but if you are speaking of assless pants for men then I have to report you and my thread :p

SO does anyone have criteria on what gets reviewed and why? and do abuse reports actually cue a thread for review?

I'd like to know because there can be some serious tightasses in these forums and just one tightass is all it would take under the right circumstances to basically censor a person or thread.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-27-2006 23:33
I'm afraid to type this!
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Talen Morgan
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01-27-2006 23:38
Another thing I brought up in the original thread that got sent to review... What Linden thought this whole thing up and did it so haphazardly?

15 mods is way too many.

Then there is the security aspect....you never let the people know who the mods really are...do you really think thats not going to cause problems for the mods in the long run?...you think it wont spill over into in world?

I can see mods getting harrased ( which I am in no way doing as I know 90% of the mods personally) over doing their jobs...tying their in world persona to the mod job is just unbelievably stupid as it invites arguement to follow them for doing a thankless job.

I really question if LL even cares enough to have a clue anymore ...as it is the community does everything ....and in most aspects they do it better.
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Aimee Weber
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01-27-2006 23:54
From: MJ Hathor
I would be honored to get my e-mail flooded by aimee :)


*sends MJ E-mails offering to consolodate her loans, enhance her sexual prowess, recover millions in in trapped Nigerian funds, improve her credit rating, and enlarge her penis*
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Cybin Monde
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*puts on thinking cap*
01-28-2006 00:33
basically, you all have a point here and goes back to "consistency".

some variations of opinion were inevitable and while we (ResMods) may not have the same ideas coming into this new function of ours, we are attempting to come to a common ground.

after posting this, i will be starting a ResMod forum thread that will be meant for one particular use, it will be to provide a link to an active forum and to describe a reason why the link has been posted there.
for instance, if my opinion was that this thread was inflammatory, but couldn't come to an easily clear decision on my own, then i would post to said thread with a link to this thread and a note saying to examine whether or not the other ResMods thought it was inflammatory.
from there, we could form a collective view and if there was still not a clear answer it could be moved to Linden Review. or, if we came to a reasonable conclusion, we could act accordingly.. whether it's a post trying to point out the thread was in danger of entering inflammatory territory or simply a positive post attempting to reign in the thread to a more conducive atmosphere.. however it's done, it would have more than just one persons opinion affecting it.

Talen, the idea of keeping mod identities secret isn't a bad one.. on the other hand secrecy would almost inevitably breed some conspiracy theory or another. it's just the nature of SL.. anything that isn't made completely clear is usually subject to some sort of X-Files speculation. i'm not saying people shouldn't question things they see possible problems with.. i'm just saying being public avoids some of that.

this would probably be a good question for the ResMods themselves to chime in on.. how does the current line up feel about their names being made public? did anyone decline the position because their name was public before they even knew they were on the list? what percentage of us would rather have been kept unknown versus how many prefer to have been made public and even still, how many don't care?

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we're definitely still learning and i still believe it's a good program. not everyone will be cut out for it and not everyone will be happy with it, but we've yet to see if it really will be a problem or not.

so far, the only actions i know of having been made by ResMods are only 2 threads that were moved to review, the sticky situation from last night and the multiple posts that have been made to date. (ok, so i moved a thread of mine to Off Topic as well, but that was a test :p)

like i said before, give it a couple days to bake.. see what forms as a standard practice instead of this first day or so that are still defining our place in all of this. it could very well end up blowing apart in our faces, but it could also smooth out and become a useful function of the forums.
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Jonquille Noir
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01-28-2006 00:37
The resmods chosen have actually participated in the forums before, right? That was supposed to be one of the criteria for being a resmod. Why is it that now, all of a sudden, they can't figure out where posts belong, and what relates to SL? Did LL hand out white canes and dark glasses with the mod powers or what?
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Cybin Monde
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actually
01-28-2006 01:00
that's part of the problem, Jonquille.. some of us may not have ever been to clear on it, which is why i want to confer with other ResMods before making any decisions that i'm not absolutely certain of.

for instance, i tend to gravitate towrds Off Topic and only start threads in General once in a great while. as a matter of fact, i had started a thread in off Topic that was moved to General! (not sure, but i may be the only one to have had that happen)

we are all different people with different views and the ResMods need to work more conjunctively as a team, whcih is something that is currently among the top topics in the ResMod forums. what you can't see is that we are actively working towards an amicable goal on this front.
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Siggy Romulus
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01-28-2006 01:18
Eh I'm gonna see how things blow over - and see how things go... its like everything else - first day on the job - gotta adjust the nuts and let them swing a lil...

Then folks calm down a lil or get their shit slapped by the power that be...

Or something like that...

... All I can say is this:

Remember - when your lil stint is over - you have to go back to being on of us farties like the rest of us again.

keep that in the back of your head the next month or two.
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Gabe Lippmann
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01-28-2006 01:25
From: Cybin Monde
that's part of the problem, Jonquille.. some of us may not have ever been to clear on it, which is why i want to confer with other ResMods before making any decisions that i'm not absolutely certain of.

for instance, i tend to gravitate towrds Off Topic and only start threads in General once in a great while. as a matter of fact, i had started a thread in off Topic that was moved to General! (not sure, but i may be the only one to have had that happen)

we are all different people with different views and the ResMods need to work more conjunctively as a team, whcih is something that is currently among the top topics in the ResMod forums. what you can't see is that we are actively working towards an amicable goal on this front.


No offense, Cybin, but this should have been discussed and tried out prior to live action. This is another half baked plan with half baked execution. This is not a reflection on the ResMods, but on the whole process.
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Nolan Nash
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01-28-2006 01:27
From: Gabe Lippmann
No offense, Cybin, but this should have been discussed and tried out prior to live action. This is another half baked plan with half baked execution. This is not a reflection on the ResMods, but on the whole process.

Exactly.
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Gladius Luchador
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01-28-2006 01:30
From: Cybin Monde
for instance, i tend to gravitate towrds Off Topic and only start threads in General once in a great while. as a matter of fact, i had started a thread in off Topic that was moved to General! (not sure, but i may be the only one to have had that happen)


Reading through this thread, I came up with a cool idea for an off-topic post. It would do one of two things:

1/ Discuss the fact that there had never been an off-topic post moved to general.

2/ Start an off-topic post and make the content so SL General appropriate, that it would have to be moved to General. An experiment, so to speak, related to #1.

Then I come to your reply here, and my idea was shattered. :D

Hehehehe. I really never thought a post in off-topic had ever been moved to General. If you can remember that post, I'd love to see it! :)
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Cybin Monde
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agreed
01-28-2006 01:37
Gabe, you're absolutely right.

this whole process would have been much smoother if the list were confirmed first, then have that group discuss such aberrations until a consensus of opinions could have been reached. then said conclusion could have been posted to the public and the ResMods would have had a clearer set of guidelines with which to work from right from the get go.

unfortunately, this is not what was presented to us, so we have to work with the process we've been presented with. it may be a bit flawed, but we're working fairly quickly at trying to resolve the issues we're coming across.

fortunately, following generations will have the ResMod forums and past actions/reactions to base their performances on and the process will ideally smooth out more and more, both within this first period and in upcoming iterations.
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Cybin Monde
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01-28-2006 01:43
From: Gladius Luchador
Then I come to your reply here, and my idea was shattered. :D

Hehehehe. I really never thought a post in off-topic had ever been moved to General. If you can remember that post, I'd love to see it! :)


sorry about the shattering thing, maybe offering a link to my thread will help ease the pain? also, post #23 is where you will find the relevant statement. :D
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- Philip Linden

"There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free if you truly wish to be."
- Willy Wonka (circa 1971)

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Gladius Luchador
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01-28-2006 02:03
From: Cybin Monde
sorry about the shattering thing, maybe offering a link to my thread will help ease the pain? also, post #23 is where you will find the relevant statement. :D


Heheh. Thanks :D Off to read it now.
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Iron Perth
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01-28-2006 02:51
When I am managing, one of my favorite team activities is role-reversal.

Basically, I give members of the team an opportunity to manage meetings, sub-projects .. much as if they were the boss.

I especially make a point of ensuring that team members that are having some troubles taking direction get a chance to tell other people what to do.

This sort of role reversal can be a very enlightening experience for all involved.
Frans Charming
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01-28-2006 03:25
From: Iron Perth
When I am managing, one of my favorite team activities is role-reversal.

Basically, I give members of the team an opportunity to manage meetings, sub-projects .. much as if they were the boss.

I especially make a point of ensuring that team members that are having some troubles taking direction get a chance to tell other people what to do.

This sort of role reversal can be a very enlightening experience for all involved.

Oh that is very true, would be interresting to see what would happen if some of the more 'outspoken' forumdweller would become a mod. :D

Maybe Aimee still has a chance. :p
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Selador Cellardoor
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01-28-2006 03:38
I'm a little worried by the use of the word 'inflammatory'. It is one of those words convenient to censors, whose meaning changes depending on which way you look at it.

I have previously mentioned the other virtual world I came from which was run as a totalitarian police state. They had a forum. Every time a posting was made in the least way critical of the player-run 'council', it was instantly deleted.

Distinguishing between constructive criticism and the 'inflammatory' is where the line lies between forum discipline and repressive censorship.
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Alan Kiesler
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01-28-2006 05:40
Hey all,

In personal answer to a couple things brought up:

- I'm being rather forthright in my sig that I'm one, but that's just who I am. Heck, I'm also contemplating putting out my other forum's IDs as references despite they use my RL name.

- I think choosing so many is specifically because of the diverse set of people chosen and who visit what places and when. Can you think of many people who visit *every* subforum? I certainly don't (I can think of perhaps Torley and Aimee, and the former is now a Linden). My available hours here are rather skewed too towards the nighttime, overnight, and weekend due to my RL work hours.

- I'm also *not* being 'prudish' or 'opressive' for lack of any simpler words. ;) I *have* marked in my head a thread or two on a 'watch' list of sorts (one of which got moved anyway by someone else). At the very least I'm getting involved more in topics I don't normally, and so its been rather fun. I'm also liable to send a warning shot first and check back in a few hours (taking a page from Jeska).

- Last thing before finally heading onto actuall scanning of threads. :) I'm taking the reported posts emails with a grain of salt. If anything they help define my 'watch list' as mentioned above. Plus I don't look at my webmail too often (Thank GOD for gmail though in this respect).

Please all, lets take it easy, we're all figuring this out. Heck I'm spending more time helping to flesh out the standards of the ResMods then actually doing it!

*waves* :link:
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-28-2006 08:15
From: Talen Morgan
I really question if LL even cares enough to have a clue anymore ...as it is the community does everything ....and in most aspects they do it better.


Bingo. This is exactly what LL wants. We are just playing into their devious little hands. :p
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