Under 18 yr Kids being Escorts and Strippers for Lindens

I know someone recently that was partnered and more than likely bonking an underager and I gotta say with the amount of ppl she's with on a regular basis, its prolly happened more than once and it doesn't surprise me.

When they say 'i hafta go honey, my mom just called me for dinner then I have to do my homework and clean my room. but thanks for the sex it was great!"

Are you saying that the content is appropriate for people under 18, because thats what it looks like. Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing.

i say for the sake of arguing, cause im sure they aren't a parent..


i have to say, kids getting on the adult grid hasn't bothered me.. .seriously..
but them working as escorts and what not.. is really serious, i don't think you guys understand how serious it is..
its all play yeah, but like someone pointed out lindens are exchangable to real money

No, I'm saying that people shouldnt virtually fuck people they dont know if the truth might sicken them. Wasnt that perfectly clear? I thought so.

How many kids in RL do you think are still virgins at 18? I know I wasn't!

I'm not saying it's right before you all jump on me and i'm not saying all kids aren't still virgins at 18, but I know during my teenage years I was fully aware of what sex was, how it worked, what happened if it went wrong and I knew what I was doing.

I'm rambling... Let's just close SL all together - PROBLEM SOLVED!

Ok well start a Thread with that topic then.

There are girls on the streets of London (and any other city I could think of) of 16 and younger ancting as prostitutes in RL.

It's wrong there too, but it doesn't stop them, and the police don't seem that interested. I suppose SL is safer, but it still sounds a bit ewww to me.

I was underage doing sh*t too ... ahh the days go quick.

My point isn't to protect kids.

My point to to protect SL from parents with Lawyers....lol

Well, more than ewww, it's a criminal offense for the other party to a minor prostitute's activity (unless also a minor).

err, i was responding to you directly. which is why I quoted you. And you asked for clarification after twisting my words.

My friend has a sl escort buisness & don't most escorts just get a notecard to paste from?

That's kind of off topic..

I know in the US its criminal to have sex w/ a minor but is it also criminal to chat up a minor in a chat room?

Just stuff i'm curious about. Neither which I plan to do

I agree with you.

I said it elsewhere, I think the only real solution with open registration and teens besides closing open registration, is limiting accounts with no payment info on file to PG areas only, unable to teleport to mature sims.

It is effectively the same as what adult sites do in requiring a credit card, at least there is some verifiable identity going into mature areas. It could have the side effect of businesses who want to cater to no payment info on file (for events and corporations finding mature zoning to be contrary to their projects) actually wanting to zone their land as PG, thus raising its value more.

Mature areas need to be restricted to verified accts, IMO. Might not be a popular opinion but it's the only way, I think.

Johnny, SL (and the Lindens) really aren't at risk other than some bad publicity (and we know there's no such thing).

The ones at risk are the business owners like you and some others who list their builds under "sex" and end up getting flooded with newbies who are looking for ... yep, sex.

I'm not sure how much risk you take, and I've asked a lot of people who should know. It seems that if you take appropriate measures to screen people and don't hesitate to eject/ban and AR any underage people you find, you've demonstrated sufficient intent to avoid prosecution. But who knows.

So I would simply suggest that you either (a) Refuse admittance to unverified accounts, which would literally destroy Heaven Above the Clouds' traffic numbers or (b) Keep security people on duty 24/7 and order them to watch for suspicious behavior. Of course, there's always the option to post signs everywhere, "Not responsible for you schtupping a teenybopper" but that's a cop-out, IMO.

There are 4 points to consider here...

1) Parents should do their part to protect their kids, and SL should (out of social responsibility) also do their part to protect kids, unless they just don't care, which would be unfortunate.

2) Parents suing LL is a major concern for LL if they facilitate child molestation online. If LL knows criminal activity is occuring on their servers, they have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities, and take measures to prevent it.

3) Criminal charges will be brought against individuals caught by law enforcement engaging in sexual activity with a minor. And, if it turns out that LL knows of such activity and has taken no steps to prevent it, things could get legally ugly for LL.

4) Anyone who "employs" an minor in SL related to mature activities could also find themselves in hot water, depending on the nature and scope of any resulting investigation.

Linden Labs needs to take steps to ensure that minors cannot access the main grid, or mature content must be removed from SL. Those are the only two ways to limit legal liability for LL and for its sexual residents.

I'm glad I don't choose to solicit sex online, virtually or otherwise.

Well, 16 is legal in most of the world, but under 16 yeah, I agree.

I think what everyone fails to see is the big picture of what Second Life is. When you get an escort, when you buy something from someone, when you interact in anyway with anyone in the grid you are not interacting with the person playing behing the avatar you are interacting in character it makes no difference if the person behind the character is black, white, purple, 13, 15, 24, or even 85. People lighten up is it really your problem if underage kids are being escorts? No.

Yeah both are illegal, if you mean sexual discussion as "chatting up"

All SL needs is one parent to make a beef about this.

Or one Dateline news story.

Every other Adult Internet site requires proof that you are an adult.

They do it to protect themselves from the law and lawsuits.

Actually... age does make a difference to many people... lots of them in law enforcement.

And this topic could make an ambitious attorney LOTS of money.

I agree with the ambitious attorney part because those money worshippers will do anything for it.

But I don't see how they would have an arguement, what is illegal about a 17 year old or 16 year old roleplaying sex on the internet? I'm not sure if there is a law about that, about RL sex yes very illegal and wrong in my opinion. If there is a law about underage cybersex id like to know that would be interesting.

Not quite. They require you to click a box certifying you're over 18, and then ask for Credit Card information. That's it. As has been discussed on this board ad nauseum the past 2 months, credit cards don't guarantee age any more than cellphones do.

But at least with SOME method of verification, there was a psychological barrier preventing SOME teens from jumping into the adult grid. Now there's nothing. The doors are wide open, come on in and play with the adults.

It still comes down to you, Johnny -- what do you and your staff do to find and ban underagers?

Here we are, going through all the arguments again as we did two months agp. AFAIK the only ppl ever charged or sued are the ones eventually meeting in rl. What you call sex on sl is really just writing swear words or erotic poetry (depending on your views) with some unrealistic avatars pixelating each other with or without an object that might be remotely described as a penis. I don't believe that sl is capable of supporting any penetration so my view from aussie land is that if Bill Clinton can say that non penetration is not real sex, then all you Americans don't know what you are talking about when you call what sl escorts do a sex act.

In most states of Australia brothels operate legally and there are fairly strict controls over the minimum age (I believe 21) of the working girls. You must be pretty addicted to SL to believe that rl prostitution is anything like sl. Btw Aussies and poms also know which side of the girl the fanny is on, something Americans also seem to disagree on.

Ed

LOL! If I didn't already have a great quote about wanking in my sig this would prolly be my new one

some sights don't even ask for a credit card.. you just simply click 18 and woola you are there...

but it is also not interactive.. they are not speaking with real ppl doing something that people are going to have a conption fit about..

I completely agree with you BUT

It really doesn't matter. It is also up to the individuals who run the website, program, etc to verify information of individuals under 18 if they are providing adult services. Since SL's "adult" grid is labeled as just that, then they should offer that.

Once again if they were to get sued, they would probably lose due to the fact they offer no p"protection" and the media would have a hay day.

Don't believe me?

Look at the past (dont make me dig up articles)

also

Ask any laywer.