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What will you set your land to with new security?

Raphael Rutherford
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Join date: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 236
07-12-2006 11:30
From: Nimil Blackflag
alot of people are making accounts just to be griefers.

And what's stopping them from continuing doing that with the new system ?
There are lots of people that has not and can not register in SL. Many dates back to 2004 or earlier. I can assure you they are no griefers, but they'll unfortunately suffer from this new silly idea.

There have been griefers in SL since day 1 (or day 2 maybe ;-), and there always will be.
Until we get a way of stopping or reporting them (and where action will actually be taken), we'll just have to live with it. No wonder skyboxes are so popular now. Soon, half the SL population will be living at 500m+.

The new registration system sucks badly, and if you think you're being girefed now, just wait until more people and groups hear how easy it is to register for SL.
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Chronic Skronski
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Join date: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 997
07-12-2006 11:33
Wide open, and everyone is welcome to come visit. :)
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Lynn Kukulcan
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Join date: 7 May 2006
Posts: 149
07-12-2006 11:34
From: Raphael Rutherford
I dont get it. Why this new system ?
Why would you want to disallow someone just because they haven't given their credit card (or similar) info ?
I have lots of friends in SL that are marked "No payment info on file" (or whatever it is).

Should I tell them now they're second class citizens and I cannot fraternize with them
anymore ?

I can't see the point of this at all. Would be nice if someone could enlighten me.


Because some of us sell mature stuff, and we want at least some form of age verification.

I sell mature stuff, but the past month or so has demonstrated that most of the new people coming on are not griefers, nor are they kiddies. I think kiddies would hardly know how to reach my neck of the woods, anyway, and griefers simply don't want to make the extra effort, so I don't see much of a real threat to begin with. Subsequently, I will leave my land open, even though I am a stern advocate of age verification.
Nimil Blackflag
LuNi Designer
Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 93
07-12-2006 11:34
From: Raphael Rutherford
And what's stopping them from continuing doing that with the new system ?
There are lots of people that has not and can not register in SL. Many dates back to 2004 or earlier. I can assure you they are no griefers, but they'll unfortunately suffer from this new silly idea.

There have been griefers in SL since day 1 (or day 2 maybe ;-), and there always will be.
Until we get a way of stopping or reporting them (and where action will actually be taken), we'll just have to live with it. No wonder skyboxes are so popular now. Soon, half the SL population will be living at 500m+.

The new registration system sucks badly, and if you think you're being girefed now, just wait until more people and groups hear how easy it is to register for SL.


oh yes i know.. as i will be suffering from it myself.
Raphael Rutherford
Resident Resident
Join date: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 236
07-12-2006 11:36
From: Cindy Claveau
Welcome to the forums :) It's been a hot topic of discussion here for over a month now but maybe you missed it.


Yeah, I play the game, not the forums. (crouching after calling SL a game)

From: Cindy Claveau
It has nothing to do with griefers, really. It's because there is no other way available at this time to show due diligence at keeping underage kids from accessing adult content. No, it won't stop them if they're determined to steal Mom's credit card. But it will stop enough of them that it's better than not even trying.

As if this is going to make any difference in accessing adult stuff. SL is stuffed with it.
The only way that would work (somewhat) is if Linden blocked all Mature sims (and a viewrange perimeter around them) to unverified accounts.
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Lynn Kukulcan
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Join date: 7 May 2006
Posts: 149
07-12-2006 11:40
From: Nimil Blackflag
they [sic] only way to verify a person is with their social security number right? (might be wrong about that...)


You most definitely are. I have a close SL friend who has a club across the lot from my establishment. She is my age, runs a club, dungeon and various other things on her property, and has no social security number. Why? Because she's Swedish, and unless you expect everyone around the world to enroll in the Social Security Administrations Social Security System and pay their Social Security Taxes to a country that will never support them in any way, then Social Security Numbers are not, in fact a good way to establish proof of identity.
Lynn Kukulcan
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Join date: 7 May 2006
Posts: 149
07-12-2006 11:43
From: Zoe Llewelyn
Yes, Game cards are available. I used em to play on the Euro servers with my friends when I played WoW as they wouldn't take my US CC. But the vast majority of underage players in every game out there use CC to play. If it's that easy for a kid to get into any other CC verified game out there, why would SL have somehow been different? Well, it wasn't, as any one who has been around here a while knows. We have always had teens on the main grid and had to watch for and out them so they were removed to the teen grid.

We have always had griefers. I am sure we have far more now that before 6-6-06. On that most all of us agree. Many of us simply disagree that blanket bans of arbitray groups of people are the way to handle those issues.


Actually, the requirement of the payment information is not to prevent people from entering these places that may or may not be under age. What it is is a way to provide legal protections for people who do sell mature products. So if someone comes in and sees / buys something, then in answer to this the owner of said establishment can say, "They had a credit card, and you must be at least eighteen to have one!" End of argument, as a credit card is recognized as legal proof of age, and so protects the owner of the establishments.

Of course, if the person cheated and panned the camera? Well, nobody can do anything about that.
Zoe Llewelyn
Asylum Inmate
Join date: 15 Jun 2004
Posts: 502
07-12-2006 11:54
From: Lynn Kukulcan
Actually, the requirement of the payment information is not to prevent people from entering these places that may or may not be under age. What it is is a way to provide legal protections for people who do sell mature products. So if someone comes in and sees / buys something, then in answer to this the owner of said establishment can say, "They had a credit card, and you must be at least eighteen to have one!" End of argument, as a credit card is recognized as legal proof of age, and so protects the owner of the establishments.

Of course, if the person cheated and panned the camera? Well, nobody can do anything about that.


Anyone lying about their age to enter the main ADULTS ONLY SL grid is already breaking the rules. Nothing changed about that since before 6-6-06. SL is still adults only. Anyone scamming the system to get themselves in when they are not allowed in is already stepping beyond the protection of the law.

It's like nudie magazines at the convient store. They are placed behind a counter where underage persons can't have access to them. If a kid comes into the store and walks around the counter where they are not allowed and starts looking at a Playboy, that does not make the store owner liable for the kid's mental re-direction bills. It makes the parent responsible still for the child doing something they were not allowed to do.

As for due dilligence, LL already uses due dilligence by having a system that automatically shunts anyone under 17 to the teen grid where adult content is restricted (as best they can). Until LL officvially does away with the teen grid and integrates the accounts onto one "everyone" grid, no teens are allowed here and the system itself is designed to keep them out.

All this really is is a way to hand those screaming loudest about the registration changes a bone to make em THINK something is being done and shut them up. In truth it does nothing beyond hurt the SL community by segregating people for no valid or truthful reason.
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